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[00:00:00] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the sync your life podcast today. I’m joined by my new friend, Dr. David Lipman. He is the owner of Physical Evidence and a seasoned chiropractic physician who has successfully treated thousands of patients. With a deep personal commitment to bio optimization, he’s achieved extraordinary levels of strength, endurance, and overall health well into his 60s.

[00:01:18] Jenny Swisher: His mission is to share the knowledge and processes that have profoundly benefited his own life Helping others to achieve optimal health and wellness. We’ve had a chance to sort of nerd out a little bit on the topics of just hormone, health, methylation, micronutrients. I I’m so excited for this conversation because this is something that we haven’t gone deep with yet here on the sink your life podcast.

[00:01:37] Jenny Swisher: And I think he’s the perfect man for the job. So without further ado, dr. David Lipman, welcome to the show. If you would just tell my listeners. It’s who you are and what you do.

[00:01:46] Dr. David Lipman: Sure. Well, first, thank you for having me here today, Jenny. And it was nice nerding out with you about things because it’s always nice to share information with other, you know, people, professionals that, , share a lot of the same desires to learn more about how their bodies work and how to, you know, navigate, you know, their own health because, you know, obviously our healthcare systems don’t work.

[00:02:04] Dr. David Lipman: So I started that journey for myself actually at 10 years old, I was prompted by we had just. Move to a new neighborhood and it was, it was a bit of a rough environment. And, , I had, some early encounters, even the first day I moved in there and, you know, just felt internally, I didn’t want to be a victim.

[00:02:20] Dr. David Lipman: You know, I’m just going to be the new place I’m living. And fortunately the kid next door was a couple of years older. His father was into martial arts and he gave me the concept at 10 years old, that you have to be strong. You have to build and strengthen your body. Okay. And part of that is by eating properly to feed that strengthening process.

[00:02:40] Dr. David Lipman: So he got me off a Captain Crunch and Wonder Bread and Pop Tarts and actually eating real food and that those principles and that value system stayed with me from 10 years old. Again, initially motivated, but I wanted to be strong so I wasn’t being victimized by the, you know, by the environment. But then it became more than that.

[00:02:58] Dr. David Lipman: It became a way of life in terms of this is what you do first thing in the morning, you’re working out, you’re exercising, and you’re feeding your body with nutrients that are actually going to get you to be strong. So being strong was the, you know, the initial drive for it. And, you know, back in the early 70s, no, nobody was working out, nobody, there was no gyms and people would play, you know, we played sports in the streets and, you know, we rode our bikes, but nobody was really focusing on an exercise to be strong.

[00:03:26] Dr. David Lipman: And so that sort of started me off to the point where in my mid teens, I had a motorcycle injury and I actually broke my neck in two places. And I think back that, you know, Because I’d already been exercising, it probably would have been a worse type injury, but nonetheless, I still had some issues from it and I actually hit it because I didn’t want my dad to know I was on a motorcycle.

[00:03:50] Dr. David Lipman: I was explicitly not supposed to be on one or hanging out with the friend I was hanging out with at the time. But by the time I was 19, my neck had really started to get, you know, pain and restriction. And I was working a summer job and I met this chiropractic student. And, , I didn’t even know what a chiropractor was, I’ve never heard of them, and, , my folks or my friends didn’t use them, so I didn’t even know what it was, but there was this big guy, he looked like Clark Kent, you know, like he was going to pull his shirt open and it’s going to be a big S on there, and he got me to come into the clinic, he took x rays, he showed me how I broke my neck, which I, up to that point, I didn’t even know I had, but, , that experience with that first adjustment was transformative for me.

[00:04:27] Dr. David Lipman: It was transformative in the sense that Up to that point, I was supposed to be going into a family business, plumbing manufacturing. And all of a sudden, with that occurrence of this pain just by this guy’s hands and just adjusting me, that it just kind of changed everything. And I think because I already had the foundation of, you know, being strong in the body, being healthy by eating, nutritionally sound food that, you know, made the idea of a practice, a health care practice.

[00:04:58] Dr. David Lipman: That taps into the body’s own healing capabilities, which is what chiropractic is all about. And so I think that foundation probably combined with the fact that I actually had this broken neck. All of a sudden I find out I have a broken neck and then I got this pain and then boom, I get an adjustment.

[00:05:15] Dr. David Lipman: And. And I’m great, you know, the pain I’ve been experiencing for years just was gone. So that really launched my direction from a professional standpoint. Hardest thing was telling my dad that I didn’t want to be in the family business because it was multi generational. It started by my great grandfather, then my grandfather and my dad.

[00:05:32] Dr. David Lipman: So, you know, I was being groomed at a young age to do it, but fortunately he was super supportive and supported me going into this direction. So I was able to do that sort of free and clear and I’ve really taken to it and have expanded it beyond just being a chiropractic physician. As I’ve told you, the idea of what can we do on a daily basis to really get our bodies to do its best healing, the best, its best regeneration.

[00:05:57] Dr. David Lipman: You know, the modern world is really attacking us in so many levels. And How can we soldier up against that? You know, what can we do to minimize those, you know, obstacles to health and to, you know, fortify the deficiencies you have? Well, fortunately today, there’s a lot of things we can do to identify that and become our own doctors and, you know, be more focused on self care than the, you know, healthcare system that we’ve been brought up in.

[00:06:23] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, I couldn’t agree with you more. , one of the token phrases that I say is we are our own best doctor. So you literally just took the words right out of my mouth. I’m constantly teaching self advocacy for women because in the women’s health space, especially, I think I, I read recently, it was like 72 percent of women feel like they have been gas lit in their doctor’s office at one point or another.

[00:06:42] Jenny Swisher: So I like to say women’s check engine lights are flashing and they raise the concern. They’re like, I don’t feel right. I feel off. I, we always talk about energy, right? Measuring everything in energy. A woman knows when her energy is off, but unfortunately the modern healthcare system often likes to tell her.

[00:06:57] Jenny Swisher: It’s just in her head or her labs are normal, right? And she goes on suffering, especially through the perimenopausal years. So that’s, this is not news to my listeners, right? Like they, they hear this often, this idea of self advocacy, stepping into your own, like you said, into your own self care and what I like to call body literacy.

[00:07:13] Jenny Swisher: , once we can see. step into our own body literacy of our unique bodies. And once we embrace that health is individual, , and we get to know our own genetics and our own, you know, predispositions and all those things, we can then better customize a plan. I think society has taught us that there’s like this one size fits all approach, right?

[00:07:32] Jenny Swisher: Like we go through these phases of like keto is all the rage or intermittent fasting is all the rage or low carb is all the rage or whatever. And in reality, it’s like you are not Jane and Jane is not you until we do a deeper dive and dig deeper on your individual health. And where your deficiencies are and what your unique body is telling you, we will get nowhere, right?

[00:07:52] Jenny Swisher: We’re just going to keep stirring the pot until, until we land nowhere and struggle. So I’m excited for this conversation because, , I was just telling some friends today that I was looking forward to meeting with you because I feel like as this podcast has gone on, you know, we close in on 300 episodes.

[00:08:06] Jenny Swisher: I feel like we just keep peeling back more of the onion. Right? Every guest I have on and we just go a little bit deeper and a little bit deeper. And so I think that getting to this topic of individual health and, and bio optimization is exactly where we should go next. And so I’d love for you to just kick us off for, for the average woman listening, who maybe doesn’t understand what that phrase even means, like, how would you sort of define bio optimization?

[00:08:30] Jenny Swisher: What does that look like for you?

[00:08:33] Dr. David Lipman: Yeah, great question. And it took me some time to come up with that. You know, that brand name or that tagline bio optimization. I kept trying to understand and actually went back through, you know, my beginnings at 10 years old. What it is that I was actually trying to do.

[00:08:49] Dr. David Lipman: And the concept was that my body machine, the machine that, you know, I have as a body, that we all have as a body, has very specific workings. which is part of what physical evidence. There’s physical evidence to show us that our bodies have very specific, you know, um, processes and systems and tissues. But most recently, what I’ve realized because of becoming a big advocate and user and supplier of red light therapy and some other therapies here, we’re getting down to the nitty gritty.

[00:09:19] Dr. David Lipman: And that is the most basic unit of functioning in our bodies. is the cell. From the cell, all things happen, um, good or bad. And so depending on what tissue that cells a part of and the system it’s a part of, is it making hormones? Is it digesting? Is it, you know, sexual system? , you know, circulatory system, all the systems we have comes down to the basic unit of functioning.

[00:09:44] Dr. David Lipman: And that’s where I’ve learned things break down first. We’ve had over 32, 000 diseases. identified in humans. And the one common denominator, Jenny, in every single one of them is a reduction or loss of optimal energy production at the cell level. So what that says to me is that we have one dysfunction that leads to 32, 000 symptoms we call disease.

[00:10:13] Dr. David Lipman: And that is the loss of energy production. So what does that mean? What is, you know, energy production at the cell? It happens through a process called, , the Krebs cycle through what’s called the mitochondria, which if you’ve ever taken biology, it’s called the powerhouse of the cell. Now in school, when we’re learning that biology, we don’t realize, and we’re not emphasized how important that mitochondrial production of ATP is to the, the, the wellness of that cell and in everything that comes from that cell.

[00:10:41] Dr. David Lipman: So in this modern world, there are a lot of things that will interrupt and impair any one of our cells ability to make energy. Free radicals, which many people have heard that term, are in our environment and they’re causing a lot of this disruption in The way the cells make an energy. And in many cases, it’s actually preventing oxygen from getting into the cell to be that final piece when ATP is made.

[00:11:08] Dr. David Lipman: So when a cell makes energy as an example, an oxygen is not present because it’s being blocked by a free radical that cells only working at, we’ll call it to horsepower. So it’s two cycles of ATP. But let’s call it his horsepower. So we can make that use that analogy. But when oxygen is present and it’s making energy, it’s 34 horsepower.

[00:11:28] Dr. David Lipman: So the difference between functioning in any one of our 30 to 50 trillion cells at two horsepower versus 30 horsepower, 34 horsepower is really the difference between being bio optimized and not. And again, depending on what cells and tissue that’s going to affect our body’s ability to make the things that we need to have to function, our neurotransmitters, you know, dopamine and serotonin.

[00:11:52] Dr. David Lipman: And, the, the hormones that have to be made to, you know, for, for all functioning, you know, whether it’s, um, you know, uh, thyroid or growth hormone or any of the hormones that we all need to function. And with women, of course, because of things being , cyclical, it, it has a lot to do with how well those cycles are going to come back and forth monthly, and then perimenopause and how, what that’s going to look like.

[00:12:13] Dr. David Lipman: But that bio optimization is really about getting every one of ourselves to function at that optimal level. by clearing out free radicals and using therapies like red light therapy and some other things that can just help, , to get that cell to full function. So that’s, that’s the focus of bio optimization.

[00:12:33] Dr. David Lipman: That’s what I’ve come to understand that it really means in its purest form right now.

[00:12:39] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, that’s a great, a great description. And I love, I love this idea of even just touching on red light therapy. I’ll link up in the show notes for everybody, a podcast interview that I did on red light therapy, which is so beneficial for women.

[00:12:51] Jenny Swisher: We talk a lot about like infrared saunas. We talk about red light therapy. We talk about whether cold plunging is good for women or not. Those are all things that I’ll link up for you in the show notes, but these are all. different ways that we can sort of biohack or biooptimize our health, right? So you’ve heard me talk about these things before on the podcast, but we’ve never really labeled them as such, but just hearing you talk about like 32, 000 diseases with essentially all the same root cause, right?

[00:13:15] Jenny Swisher: This lack of energy at the cellular level. So this podcast is all about root cause medicine. It’s all about, you know, helping women get to the root cause of their hormone imbalance issues or their lack of energy. So this is the ultimate interview, because this is exactly what we’re talking about is this idea of.

[00:13:30] Jenny Swisher: The impact on cellular health. Well, what I want to do next is sort of have you translate for us. , and we’ll kind of steer the conversation toward what we talked about with this micronutrient information, but I’d love to hear more about just the nutritional impact on the cell. , this is something that, you know, for my listeners who’ve followed me in my journey, my migraine headaches have crept back.

[00:13:51] Jenny Swisher: They’ve been something that have plagued me since. Puberty, basically, and I’ll be 41 in a couple months. So, uh, they came back strong at the age of 40. Had about a year of just trying to figure out what was going on. And for me, it’s, in my mind, it’s always been hormonal, right? Like, what’s going on here?

[00:14:07] Jenny Swisher: Obviously, big shifts happening at the age of 40. They were probably big shifts happening when I was 14, right? Like, this all makes sense that these are hormonal shifts. And I kept just saying, like, I figured this out. This is hormonal. I know what this is for me. And, uh, actually our resident hormone health doctor with the SYNC program, Dr.

[00:14:22] Jenny Swisher: Paige, she was the first person to introduce this idea to me that hormones are never the front bowling pin. And so for me, it’s just like, I have literally established a business and a brand and helping women on this idea of getting to the root of hormone imbalance. So this was news to me to hear like, wait, you’re saying that there’s more to this onion to peel back, right?

[00:14:41] Jenny Swisher: So I started working with another doctor who I’m actually having on the podcast soon. Her name’s Dr. Meg Mill, and she digs really deep into a lot of testing that your average doctor doesn’t do. So things like GI mapping and micronutrient testing, organic acids testing, genetic testing. And so thousands of dollars later, I have now, you know, kind of done some stuff, but I’ve really ultimately learned so much about my body.

[00:15:02] Jenny Swisher: And it’s bio individuality. And now I am like, this past month has been my best menstrual cycle to date. Like I literally like, this might be TMI for my listeners or for you, but like, when I started my cycle this last month, I did not have a migraine to warn me that it was coming. So I literally just, it started and I was like, Oh my gosh, what happens?

[00:15:20] Jenny Swisher: Like, I usually have a week of headaches leading up to this. I feel like it’s because we’re finally starting to figure out. What my issues really are. And it’s interesting that you mentioned neurotransmitters. I probably, I promise I’m going to hand you the mic back here in a second.

[00:15:32] Dr. David Lipman: No, no, go, go.

[00:15:34] Jenny Swisher: So the neurotransmitter thing is so interesting to me, because one of the things that Dr.

[00:15:39] Jenny Swisher: Meg Mill said, once we had gone through my genetic testing, and I know we’ll come back to this later in the conversation, but I learned that I was MTHFR, COMT. So a lot of the supplements that I was using were not even beneficial for me at all. Okay. So just tweaking supplements, I’m sure has made a huge difference in my methylation processes, which we’ll talk more about, but also at the root of it all was interesting feedback that we got from a neurotransmitters, , testing that we did.

[00:16:04] Jenny Swisher: And she mentioned to me that, yes, you know, we do have this drop in sex hormones that happens before our period. So it’s easy to say, Oh, I get these premenstrual migraines because my hormones drop. She said, but what also happens is there’s a significant shift in serotonin levels. And melatonin levels at that time of the cycle too.

[00:16:21] Jenny Swisher: And so here I had been trying to use like bioidentical hormone replacement therapy, which don’t get me wrong. I still use progesterone. It’s still been game changing for me. But I was trying to use something that wasn’t the right thing, right? Like I kept telling my doctor, I feel like I’m using this for a non progesterone issue.

[00:16:36] Jenny Swisher: Like it might be helping my progesterone levels, but it’s not helping the headache. So I don’t know what it is. She started me on this like, uh, sublingual, uh, GABA, and it’s like an L theanine GABA combo to increase, to, to really boost my serotonin levels, kind of get things back in balance. And the only thing that I can really look back and say has, has changed things or that I’ve changed since this last menstrual cycle is being on that supplement now for two to three cycles.

[00:17:03] Jenny Swisher: And I feel like. All of a sudden it’s like this, it’s mind blowing to me that there just continues to be layers of this onion to peel back. And so I know if this is my journey, and I know that I have a certain level of, of body literacy and hormone literacy that a lot of women are missing, right? Because they’re putting that knowledge in the hands of maybe their doctor, right?

[00:17:22] Jenny Swisher: They’re like, what’s wrong with me? I feel off.

[00:17:25] Dr. David Lipman: It

[00:17:25] Jenny Swisher: really does start at the level of understanding yourself first, understanding how your body was designed and made to feel. And then being able to ask the right questions and get the right testing. Now, I don’t want anybody to listen to this and say, yeah, but I got to go do, you’re telling me I got to go do thousands of dollars worth of tests.

[00:17:39] Jenny Swisher: I’m not telling you that there is plenty that you can do that is within your control. And to bring this back full circle, let’s start with the things we can control easily, which is our nutrition. So if you could make. Just the connection to, you know, the nutritional impact on cellular health. And then we’ll kind of talk more about micronutrients.

[00:17:57] Dr. David Lipman: Yes. So here in the office, there are, there are two tests that we really start off with when they’re not coming just for the chiropractic, , care, , you know, usually a pain syndrome. And we’re trying to do a deeper dive into why don’t they feel good? And so what we’re doing with the methylation detox profile, which is testing their cells ability.

[00:18:16] Dr. David Lipman: To convert the raw materials from food or supplements, raw materials being vitamins, minerals, those nutrients, because our bodies can’t utilize those nutrients in the form that they come in, you know, from the food that we eat or the supplements we take, it has to be converted. The body has what’s called this methylation cycle, and it’s how we go from.

[00:18:39] Dr. David Lipman: The basic raw material to all the things that we need to make hormones, neurotransmitters, enzymes, amino acids, B vitamins. And there we’ve identified that there are places inside the cell where this methylation process happens, where there’s there’s many genes, but there’s sort of five main ones that they’ve studied enough to see.

[00:19:00] Dr. David Lipman: At how these can impact our ability to, you know, convert the materials and then make the things we need to make for our bodies to function normally. And so, the MTHFR gene that you mentioned earlier is one of the very, very commonly known ones now, because it’s also the first one on the cycle. It’s the one that’s responsible to convert folic acid or folate into what’s called 5 methylfolate.

[00:19:24] Dr. David Lipman: It also is how we get to, you know, vitamin B12. and some of the other B vitamins down the cycle of all this. So if you have an issue, either you’ve inherited a mutation from one parent, or in my case, and maybe yours too, both parents, that gene is never working, which means I can’t convert folic acid or folate into 5 methylfolate.

[00:19:47] Dr. David Lipman: Now I don’t eat white flour products. But in the nineties, they started spraying all our, um, wheat with folic acid, hoping to avoid, , you know, embryonic issues with pregnant women. You know, the neural tube, which is sort of becomes our spinal cord. That’s like one of the first things that forms in us when we’re growing.

[00:20:07] Dr. David Lipman: And so They found that, you know, folic acid would be helpful to get the vitamins needed to make those, that creation of that neural tube. Okay. But what they didn’t realize at the time is so many people, maybe 44 percent of the population cannot process that. So as you, as you know, when you take in something that your body is not converting and processing, you’re building up probably toxic levels of things that shouldn’t be there in that form.

[00:20:34] Dr. David Lipman: They can be there as, you know, five methyl folate to go down the chain. But if you can’t get that first step, you can’t do that. So you need to know you have to avoid that. You also have the ability now to just supplement with five methyl folate since you can’t make it. So even though it’s the first one of the chain and sort of the worst one to have because it affects everything down, it’s the easiest one to fix because all you have to do is supplement with the thing that your body’s not converting to.

[00:21:00] Dr. David Lipman: However, as I just mentioned, it also means you have to avoid things that you can’t convert. So you don’t want to be taking folic acid or folate products. You also don’t want to drink any of those energy drinks that are on the market except for one or two. that have methylfolate because the rest of them have the cheap synthetic form of B12, which is cyanocobalamin.

[00:21:18] Dr. David Lipman: And cyanocobalamin is, is basically a cyanide derivative that if you’re not converting cyanocobalamin to methylcobalamin and then hydroxy, you’re actually building up cyanide in your body from drinking energy drinks. How crazy is that? So that’s, you know, again, an example of the importance of identifying your particular mutations and how your body, works specifically.

[00:21:41] Dr. David Lipman: You also mentioned COMT, the COMT gene. That’s also, um, very important to keep the balance of something called, , homocysteine and, , methionine, both of which are amino acids. However, homocysteine by itself, if it builds up in larger amounts, is a very inflammatory, uh, of substance. Even though it’s normal to us, it’s supposed to stay in balance with my feeling.

[00:22:05] Dr. David Lipman: But one of the things that happens if you’re not converting that to methane in and keeping that balance is that inflammatory homocysteine builds that’s going to start causing inflammation throughout your body. If it happens in your arterial system, it’s probably going to lead to high blood pressure, which is why a lot of people have, you know, idiopathic high blood pressure, but they know, oh, my dad had it and his dad had it.

[00:22:27] Dr. David Lipman: So they know it’s hereditary, but they didn’t know until they identified these genes of why it’s hereditary. So now understanding that. You can now supplement with methionine to make sure that you stay in balance with homocysteine if your COMT gene isn’t working. Now, here’s another aspect of COMT. I don’t know how commonly known it is, but people that tend to have that issue, either with the full, um, homozygous mutation, which means you got it from both parents, or heterozygous, where you only got it from one, you’re going to tend to Because of the way the lack of conversions happening, be one of two types.

[00:23:04] Dr. David Lipman: You’re going to be a worrier, Are you going to be a warrior? They’ve identified those personality traits or a tendencies with people that hyper focused on something either from a worrying standpoint or more from an aggressive standpoint. And that’s actually been identified with that comp T. you know, gene mutation.

[00:23:24] Dr. David Lipman: So it’s very interesting to see at the cellular level how we are not converting and making certain things that we need, you know, neurotransmitters, enzymes and hormones and all that, but how that could even affect our personality traits. And so you were talking about how your menstrual cycle was, you know, getting much more normalized because obviously you’re now supplementing and bypassing what your body’s not doing.

[00:23:47] Dr. David Lipman: So being able to understand that. is key to be able to get those things working properly. Now, right alongside, as you mentioned, is what we call micronutrient testing. Micronutrient testing is looking inside the cell to see what your nutritional content is. Because unfortunately, when doctors look at you know, your vitamin D levels in your bloodstream or, you know, your, your potassium or, you know, sodium, magnesium, you don’t know what of that is getting into the cells because it’s not in the bloodstream where those things are used.

[00:24:18] Dr. David Lipman: It’s actually in the cell. And so looking at your potential deficiencies, intracellularly will give you the full picture of now knowing your methylation issues. And now knowing your micronutrient deficiency specifically, you can create a custom supplement program that addresses just that. And what’s going to happen with that is that you’re going to start to make all the things your body hasn’t been making, even if it hasn’t been making it for 40 years, you can start making it because the body’s that magical.

[00:24:46] Dr. David Lipman: It just needs its materials for the engines to run properly. So being able to identify that can have so many downline effects in a positive sense, because anytime you have symptoms, the body’s not doing something right. Instead of treating those symptoms, you want to identify what do we need to do to fortify those deficiencies in the body?

[00:25:05] Dr. David Lipman: What obstacles can we remove and what fortifications do we make based on identifying those specific things?

[00:25:11] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. That’s so funny that you say that about the Comte and the worrier. I have to come back to that because so, uh, yeah. So when I was working with Dr. Mill, she said the same thing. We sat down to go over my genetics tests and she said, Let me guess.

[00:25:23] Jenny Swisher: You really don’t like roller coasters. I said, correct. You can’t pay me to put, to get on the teacups at Disney world. Like I just not, I’m not a, uh, I’m a risk taker like in business, but not. Anything that’s I don’t like Heights. I don’t like airplanes. I don’t want roller coasters. She said, okay, so you’re a worrier.

[00:25:40] Jenny Swisher: And she said, that’s where that comm T is really coming through for you. It’s so interesting. And it’s, for me, it’s just, it’s, it makes me just constantly ask the question of like, why is this not. Like, why are my, you know, like, why are my children not being tested from an earlier age for genetics, like the pediatrician,

[00:25:55] Dr. David Lipman: right?

[00:25:56] Dr. David Lipman: The pediatrician, the first visit.

[00:25:58] Jenny Swisher: Absolutely. And I mean, that’s a go on a total tangent because this is something I’m actually touching on on the podcast here soon in a, an interview that I’m doing on just advocating for your children and your children’s health. But, you know, we’ve, we face so much, so many issues and just making different choices for our children, like with my, my oldest daughter.

[00:26:14] Jenny Swisher: You know, we did things sort of like by the book as it pertained to like the vaccine schedule and everything else with my youngest one. We made different choices. The reason being because we, first of all, we, we saw some things firsthand with my oldest that we were like, whoa, is this connected? And then it just got me digging and researching.

[00:26:31] Jenny Swisher: And then with my youngest, it’s like, we’ve learned that she, she also has the MTHFR mutation. Her body doesn’t detoxify well. It’s just, it helps you realize like, okay, my, my child might not be able to tolerate this. Or if you’re talking about yourself, right? Like now I know that the 15 years of folic acid that my OBGYN had me on as a prenatal was actually more harmful to me.

[00:26:52] Jenny Swisher: Then it was helpful, right? And so it makes me so angry that like genetics testing is not something that just everybody does from an early age to really understand our bio individuality. Just like it bothers me that women are not getting the standard of care with a Dutch test. Like every couple of years, I think women should be getting some form of dried urine hormone testing to see what’s going on.

[00:27:12] Jenny Swisher: I was, Oh, let’s see. I was I’m 40 going to be 41. We started our infertility struggle at 27. I didn’t do my first Dutch test till 35. So I would have been considered almost a geriatric pregnancy. Had I got, we adopted both of our girls, but had I gotten pregnant, right? It took that long. And no one ever mentioned to me that I could look at hormones.

[00:27:31] Jenny Swisher: No one ever looked, told me that I could look at genetics. Like this is, it’s not part of traditional medicine care. And so I just, if you’re listening to this, like, On one hand, no, I don’t want you to spend thousands of dollars on testing, but if you were going to do it, right? If you were, if you’re like, I want to learn more about myself and how to customize a plan for me.

[00:27:48] Jenny Swisher: genetics testing is where it’s at. That’s why I wish I would have started there a long time ago. And I wish that I was doing these more proactive, I’ll call them bio optimization tests for myself, as opposed to, I mean, look at all the money I spent on neurologists and pharmaceuticals and all the things I did for migraine that got me nowhere, except for maybe a bandaid for the headache from, from time to time.

[00:28:09] Jenny Swisher: So

[00:28:10] Dr. David Lipman: we got to offer, unfortunately, like you

[00:28:12] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, for sure. So I want to talk more about, like, Let’s kind of dive deeper. I want to mention this for my listeners because I know that a lot of my women listening are, you know, fitness enthusiasts or they’re exercisers, or I get the question often of like, Jenny, what macros do you follow?

[00:28:28] Jenny Swisher: And what, you know, what apps do you use to track your macros and all these things, right? Which the fitness world can kind of get into. And I constantly find myself telling women like, okay, I’m happy to guide you a little bit. In this realm, but I also want to make sure that you’re getting the right micronutrients and it’s macros and micros.

[00:28:45] Jenny Swisher: Okay. So they’re both important. And the best, the best story I can come up with here is, um, I was, this was a long time ago, probably 15 years ago. I went to lunch with some neighbors from my neighborhood. We went to McAllister’s deli. And they had all started the Weight Watchers program, right? And this is not to shame Weight Watchers.

[00:29:02] Jenny Swisher: This is just a story I’m telling you. So we walk in and I’m like, okay, I’m going to go with some sort of like salad. You know, I pick my, my meal and everyone else comes up to the counter and they’re trying to figure out what they can order on the menu for a certain number of points within the Weight Watchers system.

[00:29:18] Jenny Swisher: And what they come up with is they come up with that they can actually just do a cup of soup with a brownie. And they would rather do that. And so the reason I share this story is because it should be obvious to you, especially if you’ve listened to my podcast for some time that like, there’s no nutritional value in a brownie.

[00:29:37] Jenny Swisher: Right. And so that’s where we’re coming up with. It’s not the same. And so these systems out there, like Weight Watchers who try to make it equal, right? Like you can have this salad with this, or you can have this, this brownie. It’s not the same. It might be the same in Weight Watchers points, but it is not the same from nutritional value perspective.

[00:29:53] Jenny Swisher: So I want to talk about micronutrients, why they matter, maybe what you’ve seen in women, um, most commonly, like just kind of dive into that for us, if you will.

[00:30:03] Dr. David Lipman: Sure. So we’ve been doing the, uh, methylation micronutrient testing for almost three years now. And , the reason why somebody wants to do this on these tests is because they don’t feel good.

[00:30:14] Dr. David Lipman: Something’s not working sometimes, you know, one or two things, sometimes multiple things. And so once, I’m able to explain to people how, you know, our body doesn’t work by magic. It’s, it’s a miracle that it works and how everything comes together, but getting the proper nutrients is part of what makes our bodies work, you know, in an optimal fashion, you know, again, at the cellular level, like I said earlier.

[00:30:38] Dr. David Lipman: So those nutrients all have a function in our cells. And if we don’t have them, we can’t achieve the results if we have particular goals, um, you know, to just be healthy, to be energetic, to have all our systems working. Those micronutrients are key, and you’re not going to get them, as you pointed out, from brownies.

[00:30:59] Dr. David Lipman: , but then again, you might not be getting them from the supplements you are taking. And so you can’t just, as you said earlier too, you can’t just throw all supplements at somebody or everybody because it is so individualized. And because you can identify those things, and these particular tests are not thousands of dollars to identify micronutrient testing.

[00:31:17] Dr. David Lipman: It’s actually less than 500. But think of the information that you can garner and how you can implement that into giving your body the things that you want. So if you do have goals that you want to try to achieve, if you’re You know, on a pathway, let’s say to lose body fat, put on muscle, um, have more energy for your kids or your husband’s and just be able to walk around and feel good every day to have better sleep.

[00:31:42] Dr. David Lipman: All the things that, you know, we should be feeling like everybody should walk around feeling great. But these are the things that will get in our way. And you have to start You know, when you look at food, I started this a very young age. So I was able to get this concept, you know, how’s this food going to serve me today?

[00:32:00] Dr. David Lipman: The thing I’m about to eat, is this going to serve me? Is this going to serve my body’s needs? Am I eating to live or am I living to eat? And so I think you have to decide to yourself, what’s more important, the enjoyment for five minutes of having a brownie. Or the longer term effects of how you’re going to feel and and being happy with how you feel in your own skin, you know that that comfort level and it is a choice and you do have to make that choice.

[00:32:25] Dr. David Lipman: You just have to decide what you want better. I want what you want more, but you definitely. need to identify what nutrients are you deficient in and that by supplementing for that can help you get to the kind of levels of health feeling good and whatever goals you might have because without that you’re in, you’re in the dark and you have a greater chance of not achieving that or just spinning your wheels, getting frustrated, causing more cortisol levels and inflammation to happen in your body, which will further take you away from, you know, really where you’re trying to get to.

[00:32:57] Dr. David Lipman: So I think. Everybody should be doing this on a regular basis. They should teach us that in grade school, that as you get older, one of the things you need to start doing is testing what your nutrients are so you can have a plan to be proactive about your health. You know, so now we have to kind of start from our adult lives and start to learn all these things.

[00:33:15] Dr. David Lipman: But fortunately people like myself and other people out there, um, have these things as a resource available so people can find them, even if you’re on, you know, primary care, Doc is not doing that. You just have to be able to start to do it on your own, and it’s got to be a proactive choice. You know, you have to invest.

[00:33:31] Dr. David Lipman: And what I call the incline of your health, as opposed to just managing the decline of your health. Because I was told when I was a teenager and already working out six or seven years that by the time I’m getting to the age that you are right now, it’s all downhill. That’s what I was told. And I didn’t want to believe that then, you know, and I’m just certainly not believing it now because I’m 20 some odd years into disproving that as a theory for myself.

[00:33:54] Dr. David Lipman: And other people too, that are willing to start investing in themselves, you know, in the regenerative state of their body, instead of just that managing that degenerative state of their body.

[00:34:04] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. I just saw a meme on social media today from, um, an influencer that I follow. And it said, I would rather be the oldest person in the weight room than the youngest person in the nursing home.

[00:34:15] Jenny Swisher: It was such a great graphic, right? I had to share that one. And it’s so true. And I think, you know, I remember hearing the same thing, like, you know, once you’re over 40, everything’s downhill from here or, or whatever. And I hear this from women, like they say, I turned 40 and everything shifted in my body.

[00:34:30] Jenny Swisher: And I guess this is just the way it is. Or I guess this is just perimenopause just because that’s the story that might be being told in your doctor’s office or. In your circles of friends doesn’t mean that that’s how it has to be. And so doing these simple things like whether it’s testing, whether it’s, you know, red light therapy, like these different things that you can incorporate into your day to day life can be powerful for you.

[00:34:51] Jenny Swisher: , my youngest daughter was recently in the hospital. Just for a few, a few days. And, you know, they do a lot of testing in the hospital for like crazy infectious diseases and they do CBC counts and all these things. And I like to tell people that really those are just tests to see if your house is on fire, right?

[00:35:07] Jenny Swisher: Your house being your body, like, is your house on fire? And in her case, right? Like white blood cells were low. Like there were definitely some indicators of some sort of infection. But beyond that, the doctors were like, well, we don’t really know. And, you know, the hematologist even came in to talk to us about how like the platelet number probably wasn’t even accurate because it wasn’t taken in a certain kind of tube and this and that.

[00:35:26] Jenny Swisher: And my response back really, truly, I wanted to say, so am I paying for this? Like, why am I paying for this blood work? Like, I’m sure, you know, it’s partially covered on my insurance, but like, so why are we doing this? If you’re sitting here telling me that it doesn’t really show us much and this and that.

[00:35:39] Jenny Swisher: These are things that you can do that show you a lot. That can help you customize your plan. So I just, I don’t want to beat a dead horse, but it’s so true. I want to make sure that we, we spend some time here on this topic of methylation. , we’ve touched on it, but I’d love for you to just share, you know, layman’s terms, like, what does methylation mean?

[00:35:56] Jenny Swisher: And when we talk about there being differences, And, you know, from person to person, what are we talking about?

[00:36:02] Dr. David Lipman: We’re talking about how the body’s ability, and this is intracellular, this health that happens in every cell in our body, which is how, again, we take those nutrients from food or supplements, bring them into the cell and convert them To, to be the usable form inside ourselves, you know, ultimately to make energy to, grow the cell tissue.

[00:36:20] Dr. David Lipman: And, um, when we have an inability to what’s called methylated meth, uh, methylation is, is, it’s a molecule, it’s a methyl group. It’s , it’s a molecule that has to be attached to these nutrients in order for them to go into the. intercellular workings of using those nutrients. So it’s it’s a simply like it’s a molecular, you know, coming together, so to speak.

[00:36:42] Dr. David Lipman: And so when you methylate the nutrients, it allows them to function in that cycle within the cell to do the conversion of homocysteine to methionine, to do the conversion of folate into 5 methylfolate. and to some of the other things that again on the other end of all this is where it comes out to be neurotransmitter creation, hormone creation, enzyme creation, amino acid creation, all the things that we’re able to make and need to make for optimal functioning has to happen because of this methylation process in the cell.

[00:37:15] Dr. David Lipman: So the, the, you know, the CompT and the MTHFR and MTRR and. you know, the other ones are really there as enzymatic reactions. They, an enzyme is something that helps a chemical reaction happen. So they become the, the intermediaries that will help that conversion of, let’s say a cyanocobalamin into a methylcobalamin, which means it’s been methylated or, you know, to add that methyl group to whatever it is that we’re trying to go and and convert it to so we can.

[00:37:48] Dr. David Lipman: go to that next step and next step, and then make what that cell needs to make. So if we can’t, that’s where the problem breaks down. We’re not able to convert those nutrients, thereby not being able to methylate them, because the enzyme responsible for doing it is, is defective in some way. It’s, you know, it’s just, it’s, it’s compatible with life, of course, but it’s not compatible with optimization of that cellular function.

[00:38:12] Dr. David Lipman: to make all the things we need to make, which again, it’s so prevalent is 40, 44 percent of the people have that. Now I want to just share something that you’re going to find interesting. I’ve looked at, I don’t know, maybe a couple of hundred of these methylation reports over the last few years, and I have one patient that had perfect methylation.

[00:38:33] Dr. David Lipman: Every single one of those enzymes C O M T M T H F R M T R. Every single one of those were all in the green, meaning they were functioning completely. But yet, there was still about eight different intracellular deficiencies that still existed, and he did have symptoms. So, it wasn’t just because of an inability to have methylation happening.

[00:38:59] Dr. David Lipman: It was happening. But on a nutritional level, was still missing out on nutrients that his body absolutely needed. to function at the cellular level. So it’s, it’s very, very rare to have somebody that’s in that perfect state. But as you see, the micronutrient testing is so paramount to be taken alongside that.

[00:39:18] Dr. David Lipman: Now, you know, your genetic testing you only have to do once because your genes, your genes, you’re born with them, you’re gonna die with them. You won’t have to do that testing again. But does it make sense? to look maybe annually at what those intracellular deficiencies are, because if things change because of food or supplements or whatever, it might change.

[00:39:36] Dr. David Lipman: If you could simply take that test yearly, it’s, it’s a very inexpensive test and be able to guide your next six, nine or 12 months of no nutrition towards fortifying them. That’s an easy way to take great control. over very many aspects of your health. Because again, the drop down effect of being deficient happens not in just one aspect, but you know, multiple hormones, enzymes, neurotransmitters, I mean all of it.

[00:40:02] Dr. David Lipman: So again, just trying to understand how important that methylation process is. But I wouldn’t do it without that micronutrient testing. Because even in the case with somebody with perfect methylation, there was still about seven or eight deficiencies intracellularly.

[00:40:17] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, it’s just so interesting because it’s just, you know, I keep thinking about all these things that I’ve wondered about myself and my body for years, right?

[00:40:26] Jenny Swisher: Like, I can remember, , when I went to college, right? Like, it’s, you know, turn 21, it’s all the rage in college, you know, go have your, your, your drinks, go out and party on the weekends. I’ve always been the type of person that just like, I don’t tolerate alcohol. Like, I just don’t tolerate it. One drink is about my max.

[00:40:43] Jenny Swisher: Like, if it’s New Year’s Eve, maybe I’ll have one drink, right? Uh, and of course now as I get older, I’m noticing that I have really zero tolerance. Because if I have one drink, Unless it’s at 4 p. m. I wake up during the night and I have disruption and sleep from, from it. So I just avoid it altogether now.

[00:40:59] Jenny Swisher: But I always would ask myself, like, why, like, why am I so miserable? Like, why am I so miserable when I go out to the bar and my girlfriend sitting next to me is having seven beers or whatever over the course of the night? I’m having one and I feel like I could be sick. I feel dizzy. I feel honestly it brings out my worrier gene because I start to like freak out and panic.

[00:41:19] Jenny Swisher: Like I remember on my 21st birthday going out with a group of girlfriends and sorority sisters and they were like, are you always this worried? They’re like, you’re just drunk. And I was like, no, but I like everybody else seems drunk. Like I’ve had like three drinks and I’m not like, I’m not, I feel horrible.

[00:41:34] Jenny Swisher: And so I’ve always just, that’s just an example. Right. But like different things over the course of my life where I’m like, why am I like this? Like, why am I like this? And no one else is like, well, there’s a reason for it. Right. And now it’s like knowing that my body struggles in these areas of methylation, being able to supplement accordingly.

[00:41:49] Jenny Swisher: Like I feel like I’m finally stepping into like me 2. 0. Like it’s like, okay, well now I’m 41. And I mean, we started this call before we recorded and you’re like, I feel like I’m getting younger by the day. Right. Like you feel like you’re finally stepping into this energy that you’ve deserved all along, but it’s just taken, at least for me, it’s taken me this long to learn it, to learn about it and to learn about myself.

[00:42:09] Jenny Swisher: So. , everything that you’re saying is just sort of putting an explanation behind like why I feel certain ways. I, I, the genetics test that I did was the three by four genetics, uh, test and I think it’s interesting that they supply you with the results in sort of this, like. Almost like third grade level presentation with like photos.

[00:42:26] Jenny Swisher: Right. So it’s nice and easy for me to understand. I get this report back and it was literally like, I mean, again, like we said earlier, I wish I would have had this at like age 7 or 10, you know, it was this report of just you don’t tolerate alcohol. Well, You’re, you know, you’re a worrier. You are inclined to blood pressure issues.

[00:42:44] Jenny Swisher: You’re inclined to, , you know, need to keep a watch on things like, uh, hormone imbalance. Like, that was one of the main things for my, my mutations. These, this is information that is so valuable in so many different ways, right? Because it, it’s putting an explanation as to why I am the way I am. And, you know, um, Yeah.

[00:43:03] Jenny Swisher: So I hope everyone has learned something from this. I mean, I’ve taken so many notes myself. I feel like we could go deeper. I knew, I knew that today we wanted to just touch on this idea of methylation, MTHFR, which I get that question a lot, you know, micronutrients, but I love that you sort of kind of wrapped it up for us in this nice, pretty little bow with saying that both are important.

[00:43:21] Jenny Swisher: Like we need to know the genetics. We also need to know your micronutrient deficiencies. You know, they test my neighborhood pool to see what the levels are on a daily basis and, and what’s needed in the pool. Um, they test soil to see what’s needed in the soil, right? We, we, you know, we could go on and on about this, but yet we don’t test our bodies for this.

[00:43:36] Jenny Swisher: Instead we say, is your house on fire? Oh, crap. We better, you know, throw some pharmaceuticals at it to try to put out the fire and that’s just never going to work. So this is a root cause approach. I think we’ve, we’ve peeled back the onion to this idea, you know, to kind of bring it full circle to. 32, 000 diseases all attributed to, um, cellular health and that loss of energy at the cellular level.

[00:43:57] Jenny Swisher: So Dr. Lippman, thank you so much for being here on the podcast. I would love for you to tell people how they can find you, um, connect with you, find your resources, tell us all the things.

[00:44:07] Dr. David Lipman: Well, the easiest way to connect with me directly is go to PhysicalEvidenceConnect. com. That’ll take you to a form field where you can put your information in and have a place to ask a question or even give me a scenario of some of the things that you’ve been going through so I can sort of have that information prior to reaching back out and we can have a conversation.

[00:44:29] Dr. David Lipman: I’m often able to give people resources that they’re unaware of in their own, uh, neighborhoods or zip codes because I have places that I can go to find resources that might be close by. If somebody needs a physical practitioner nearby, but there are other things like the micronutrient and methylation testing.

[00:44:46] Dr. David Lipman: We can drop ship the test. The lab happens to be about 12 minutes from here, and I’ve gotten to know the The staff very well, and they’re very, very confident and very, very helpful. They’re very passionate about the idea of giving this empowerment to people because every one of them there had come through something that learning this information about themselves actually propelled them to, you know, become experts in this, in this field.

[00:45:09] Dr. David Lipman: So they, they really love sharing that information with people because they know how impactful it is to somebody’s health. We’re also Boca Raton chiropractor on. Uh, Instagram and, uh, TikTok too, but I don’t encourage you to go there. The girls make me do these stupid dances, but apparently it’s supposed to build my, my, uh, my profile or whatever.

[00:45:29] Dr. David Lipman: I don’t know. Physical evidence, chiropractic. com is also the website, but, um, if you have some personal questions, don’t hesitate to reach out at physicalevidenceconnect. com. I love the opportunity to help people that might not necessarily ever, you know, ever step into my office.

[00:45:47] Jenny Swisher: That’s amazing. I love that.

[00:45:48] Jenny Swisher: I love all the options we have now for just virtual telehealth and working with people and doing this type of stuff. So just because you’re feeling low energy doesn’t mean that that’s normal, my friends. It might be common, unfortunately, especially in American society, but it doesn’t mean that it’s, it’s optimal by any means.

[00:46:04] Jenny Swisher: Take advantage of Dr. David Lemmon’s offer, physicalevidenceconnect. com. We’ll make sure we link that up in the show notes for you as well. And if you’ve never done this testing on yourself, if you’ve never done genetics testing, if you’ve never done micronutrient testing, let this be your opportunity to do so and to dive deeper into your bioindividuality.

[00:46:19] Jenny Swisher: So thank you so much for being here. My friends, we’ll talk again soon. Take care. Bye

[00:46:23] Dr. David Lipman: bye.