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[00:00:00] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the Sync Your Life podcast. Today, I’m joined by my new friend, Wendy Stregar. She’s the founder and CEO of the Vaginal Biome Science Company. She’s also the founder and chief innovation officer of Good Clean Love. We’re going to be talking more today about sex. And I know that you guys are interested in this topic.

[00:01:17] Jenny Swisher: We’ve had Dr. Celeste here on the show before. It’s been one of our most popular topics. Widely viewed and listened to episodes. So I’m excited to go deeper here. I think this, this topic is not talked about enough. A lot of women are out there, especially women in my era of life and perimenopause, who are really maybe thinking a lot is in their own heads when it comes to libido and those types of things.

[00:01:35] Jenny Swisher: So we’re going to touch on Multiple things today. I hope that this is a great episode we can share out for, for years to come. But Wendy, thank you for doing this. Thank you for taking your time to come share with my listeners. If you would just tell us more about who you are and what you do.

[00:01:48] Wendy Strgar: Yeah, so I, have been working in women’s health and sexual health for 20 years.

[00:01:55] Wendy Strgar: So I call myself the grandmother of sexual health, like a fem tech cause I am also a grandmother now, but I started, my journey when I was very much in a place like you are, with perimenopause and really not understanding what was happening in my body. I’d had four children, and my last one when I was 37.

[00:02:12] Wendy Strgar: So like many women when they have pregnancies later, they, it almost postpartum moves right into pre, Prairie menopause, like you can’t really tell where one starts and one finishes. Right. And and so that’s very common and very confusing, right. Especially for women who maybe didn’t have three children before that, maybe that’s the only child they had.

[00:02:32] Wendy Strgar: And their body’s already really changing. So, so, so that really motivated me to start my first company, good, clean because I would have terrible reactions to. The products that doctors gave me. I also had more complications. I had to have a vaginal prolapse surgery, which I’m endlessly grateful for now.

[00:02:52] Wendy Strgar: But but that was really a whole new level of pain for me, even compared to having babies. And so, yeah, I was lost. A lot of the time and you know, in my perimenopausal years, I basically didn’t sleep at all. Which I know that a lot of women are faced with. I mean, people just sort of minimize hot flashes, but when your body is not regulating its own temperature, it’s also not able to regulate sleep thought function.

[00:03:17] Wendy Strgar: I mean, a lot of other things go with the way you regulate temperature, you know? So. So for me, it was pretty acute and, very, very uncomfortable. So all of these questions that your listeners are faced with, was really what drove me to start my companies truthfully. And you know, the one thing that worked in my marriage for many years, especially as I was piling on the children was our sex life.

[00:03:38] Wendy Strgar: So the idea That I couldn’t have that anymore really for me meant that I might actually risk getting divorced and having grown up in a divorce. I was just not wanting to go there for my kids. So, so I became really actively devoted to coming up with sexual health solutions and really understanding my own experience.

[00:03:57] Wendy Strgar: And by proxy, the lot of the women I knew, right. The moms of the kids on the soccer team, you know, I had four kids. So I had this wide range of activities. I was attending all the time. And, and over and over again, I would hear the same things, right? Like I was not alone in these concerns. And in fact, no one was talking to anybody about it.

[00:04:15] Wendy Strgar: You know, many women will go five to 10 years. with really relatively serious conditions, reproductive conditions without speaking to their doctor. It’s sort of alarming actually how this really meaningful part of who we are, sort of we’re embarrassed or ashamed or for all different kinds of reasons that we can’t own that part of ourselves and we don’t ask for help, you know, so.

[00:04:34] Wendy Strgar: So that wasn’t my case, right? Like I was very clear that I really wanted to like get my sex life to work in a way that wasn’t completely painful. And so that’s how good clean love started. Yeah. Wow. I love

[00:04:47] Jenny Swisher: that. So, yeah, I mean, what you’re saying is just so spot on, because I think a lot of women, I just saw recently, I was actually listening to a podcast where I heard someone say that, you know, she’s like when I entered perimenopause and things to get kind of wonky.

[00:04:59] Jenny Swisher: She wasn’t even talking about hot flashes. She just met with her sleep. And obviously we start to see progesterone decline. First, we start to see, you know hormone imbalances flare up. She was tight. I laughed because she said something about, you know, I’ve always been sexually attracted to my husband.

[00:05:11] Jenny Swisher: And all of a sudden now everything he was doing was annoying me. She was like, you know, like he was chewing too loudly. She was like, he was driving. I wanted to like give him driving advice. Like she’s like, all of a sudden he was just the first person on all my nerves. Right. And I, I hear this often from women.

[00:05:23] Jenny Swisher: I’ve actually had women go through my course. who are in sort of that decade of life. And when they learn more about what they’re going through, and when they can advocate for themselves with the right doctor, and they can maybe get started on some bioidentical hormone replacement therapy or some some help.

[00:05:36] Jenny Swisher: Then they really start to like, I’ve had actual men, like, spouses say to me, Thank you for giving me my wife back, because I thought she was going crazy, you know, and she’ll say I mean,

[00:05:44] Wendy Strgar: I just, I just want to say that like our hormones and endocrinology writ large, literally is the bio map of our lives, right?

[00:05:53] Wendy Strgar: Like, you know, honestly, we are nothing if not a bag of hormones. And, you know, you only really realize it. When they’re going away, just like how much they’re doing for you. Although I do want to say by caveat that, you know, honestly, I think I read this recently because like I said, I’m doing a bunch of social media, but you know, like the 80 percent of women from the very young age struggle with hormonal issues.

[00:06:13] Wendy Strgar: So we always attribute it to a, a phase of life, but what’s actually way more true is that it might mean my daughter, who’s 26. Has hormonal issues that she’s been trying to regulate. A lot of times young women will get on a birth control, like, whether the pill or a IUD, and I mean, literally it’s taken her three years to cycle again, normally.

[00:06:37] Wendy Strgar: And so, you know, this idea that these birth control methods don’t actually impact us long term is actually a ridiculous idea. That’s actually being proven out in science. And so I’m so glad, I’m so grateful that you’re doing this awareness work around hormones because honestly, we would think twice about using the birth control we use if we understood all the ways that was impacting us, you know, it’s really, I mean, I hope that before I die, we have more solutions.

[00:07:04] Wendy Strgar: And I myself am working on some non hormonal contraceptive solutions because how could this Take this long. It’s 2024, you know? Yeah. So true.

[00:07:12] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. So there’s two things I want to touch on there. I mean, first of all, I just, I recently did a workshop that was with, I would say the majority of the girls, the women in the workshop were in their twenties.

[00:07:22] Jenny Swisher: And I was astounded at, first of all, all, but one was on birth control for reasons other than birth control. So things like acne, painful periods, heavy bleeding, things that. Traditional OBGYNs couldn’t figure out, right? So number one, this is why I advocate root cause approach with functional wellness experts, someone who I’ve just learned recently, only 3 percent of practitioners are even knowledgeable in this area.

[00:07:43] Jenny Swisher:So obviously there’s a huge.

[00:07:43] Wendy Strgar: Let me just say that my husband’s a physician, so I know what their education is and women’s health is like maybe one day. Right. So that’s just one thing, which is why there’s so few menopause practitioners. But aside from that, in terms of functional medicine, that’s a different education degree, right?

[00:08:01] Wendy Strgar: Like you have to go on to learn about how foods and, and just lifestyle choices impact how you feel every day. You know, My, I mean, even in psychiatry, he’s a psychiatrist, you know, there’s a whole new field of psychiatry, which is called metabolic psychiatry. And it’s all based on how you’re metabolizing food and all of that.

[00:08:18] Wendy Strgar: And that actually literally creates insanity. I mean, I just want to say that if you never eat real food, you have a much more high likelihood of having a psychiatric disorder.

[00:08:26] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. It’s, it’s amazing. I mean, I, so honestly. In this workshop that I was leading. So all but one of the women were on birth control for reasons other than birth control.

[00:08:34] Wendy Strgar: Yeah.

[00:08:35] Jenny Swisher: One woman in particular was she was like, I don’t know if you can help me. I’ve been to multiple doctors, you know, is there any advice you would give? And she, she said that right now her doctors have her on two. birth control pills. She’s taking two birth control pills because that’s the only thing that will stop her bleed from happening.

[00:08:46] Jenny Swisher: And so when we started, when we started talking about, well, what have they tested on you? She’d never done anything like a Dutch test. She had never done anything to see what her hormones were truly doing. Isn’t

[00:08:53] Wendy Strgar: that amazing? It’s like, literally, it stops you in your tracks. Yeah, you’re like, Oh, my God, data that we do not use in women’s health.

[00:09:01] Wendy Strgar: And I would say that it’s even more alarming when you go to the pathological side. I mean, that is actually literally just medical neglect. And, you know, I mean, there are places you can go to get really legitimate analysis of what your hormones are doing, you know, but they’re not typically your typical OBGYNs are not doing that.

[00:09:18] Wendy Strgar: You know, they’re usually specialized clinics, but that’s where I go. And that’s where I set my daughter and she is now regulated, you know, but like, there is a, there is a profound science of our hormones that, that it’s just amazing to me. I mean, this is the reason if you can believe it, that they never did research 1993 was, Oh, it’s too complicated.

[00:09:40] Wendy Strgar: You know, Complex because of their hormones, right? Yeah, it’s like that should make you want to get it, you know? So yeah, I mean that’s astounding because if somebody’s bleeding that much and the only thing they can think to do is put her on two different, hormonal Basically, you know, those, those, I mean, you know this because of the work you do, but, you know, for your listeners, I mean, when you’re using, any kind of hormonal contraceptive, basically it’s stopping your hormones from functioning.

[00:10:05] Wendy Strgar: So how that’s a solution, I don’t know, you know, you know, it’s

[00:10:08] Jenny Swisher: nuts. Yeah. So when I first kicked my world off, like five years ago with hormone health, for me, I was really intrigued by cycle sinking. I was in my sort of fertile pre period. And women would come in and I was astounded at the number of women who number one, didn’t understand that birth control was suppressing ovulation.

[00:10:23] Jenny Swisher: So they would come in wanting to cycle sink and they would say, well, I’m on the birth control pill. How can I do this? Should I just rest on my period? And I’m like, no, you don’t actually have a cycle. Like you don’t because you’re not ovulating. So like ovulation is the fifth vital sign. Once we start understanding that our body is ovulating and producing proper hormones, then we can really start to leverage that energy and understand our cycles, right?

[00:10:40] Jenny Swisher: So I just want to say that, but also But isn’t that incredible? It is. It is.

[00:10:42] Wendy Strgar: I mean, those same women, I just want to say 57 percent of women cannot identify their anatomical parts of their vagina and their labia, right? They don’t even know what it is. And then we could take that to sex and we could say, you know, the percentage of women that don’t know if they orgasmed, who actually did orgasm, is equal to the percentage of women who think they orgasmed when they actually did not.

[00:11:07] Wendy Strgar: So it’s like our ability to know ourselves and feel our body and, and, and, and be able to name and identify what’s happening for us. Like, it’s like, we never get to learn that. Think about the stuff they teach you in sixth grade. They don’t teach you anything about that or what it is to like, even like have a real relationship.

[00:11:26] Wendy Strgar: Right. And so like all the ways that we think that this kind of education is dangerous for our children or whatever the hell people are thinking, it’s like, no, like, this is so vital, right? If we would start teaching girls about how their bodies actually worked, they would start to ask real questions.

[00:11:43] Wendy Strgar: earlier, right? But this is all the ways like, you know, I’m old and so I’m sort of jaded now, but I just want to say that in, there’s a way in which this has been very much planned, right? We, we don’t want women to be strong and to be able to stand up for themselves historically. And even now this backlash about a woman should be home and, you know, not producing and working and fulfilling her life goals.

[00:11:58] Wendy Strgar: Like it’s like, No, actually,

[00:12:01] Jenny Swisher: you know, yeah. Oh my gosh. So we just became best friends. So I’m excited for the rest of the conversation. Okay. So the first thing, there’s so many things I want to say, so let me just say this, right. I love that the pioneers in this space right now, we’re getting ready to, there’s a menopause documentary coming out here in a couple of days.

[00:12:10] Jenny Swisher: I’m excited to watch it. The women that are really pioneering this, Dr. Lisa Mosconi, we’ve got Dr. Stacey Sims, you know, Jolene Brighton. Oh my gosh, the list goes on. But these women that are stepping into this, I, of course, I look at this and I think, of course, it’s female doctors and researchers leading this movement.

[00:12:22] Wendy Strgar: Yeah.

[00:12:23] Jenny Swisher: Because, you know, men say, Oh my gosh, I’m having a problem with erectile dysfunction. And all of a sudden we have 14 different pharmaceutical drugs as options for them. Women say I have a libido issue, especially in perimenopause. And 54 percent of women in perimenopause are given an option for an antidepressant.

[00:12:36] Jenny Swisher: So instead of giving them options to improve libido, You know, after years and decades of no, no information on their own bodies, like, as you said, their own anatomy, their own like sexual orgasm, all these things. Instead, we’re just like, well, I don’t know. Like, how about this? And you’re depressed. The other thing I want to make sure I come back full circle is this person I was telling you about that was at this workshop.

[00:12:53] Jenny Swisher: She, she was on two birth control pills. And everything I’m about to say, I’m not passing judgment. I’m just sharing like how I feel I could help her right. In case this is you, she came in, she’s a, she was a veterinary, a vet tech. And she was I would say, you know, slightly overweight. And so she had said, so she made a comment about how she hadn’t eaten all day.

[00:13:05] Jenny Swisher: So she had gone all day, this 12 hour shift at the vet office hadn’t eaten all day. She brought Panera and with her, she had like a cheesy bread sandwich. And she’s telling me about how she’s on these two birth control pills and she has a PCOS diagnosis. So I start to talk to her about, did you know that the root cause of most PCOS is actually blood sugar instability?

[00:13:22] Jenny Swisher: And when we can really focus on your nutrition and making sure that you’re fueling properly, that actually it can help a lot with menstrual dysfunction. And you could see it kind of go in one ear and out the other. Like, like lifestyle isn’t even something we look at. Instead, we, we, we would rather do like the two birth control pills, or we’d rather just go to the OBGYN.

[00:13:38] Jenny Swisher: I

[00:13:38] Wendy Strgar: mean, you know, I, I just want to say again, my husband’s a psychiatrist for the last 35 years. And you know, this situation that you’re describing, Like that’s true across all medical specialties, but especially in psychiatry to write like where he would constantly be saying, Well, if you’re drinking a Mountain Dew at 11, how do you think you’re going to sleep right like where people don’t actually connect the way they live with how they feel, you know, it’s very profound.

[00:14:05] Wendy Strgar: And, you know, there’s a way that food in this country. for most people is not food, right? Like, I mean, the way that you think about food and what you prepare for your children is probably like, they’re probably maybe five kids in their class that eat like that, you know? So, so it’s like, we like, And it’s like this idea of food deserts, you know, it’s not just, I mean, I used to be a checker in a, in a grocery store.

[00:14:26] Wendy Strgar: And the thing that was astonishing to me was how little food people actually put in their bags, you know? So it’s like, you know, and even like. When they were making in COVID, those boxes of like here, we’ll send you everything to make a cooked meal, you know, but I mean, they would overcharge you for everything, but people don’t even have a sense of, I can go to the grocery store and shop and put together this food to make a meal, right?

[00:14:48] Wendy Strgar: Like there’s so much. basic education that that we that we don’t have. You know, something you said made me think about like, you know, the like that she didn’t have any awareness about how she was eating and how that was affecting her periods and her hormonal cycles, right? But, but also like the ways in which we live that affect our ability to have an orgasm or feel desire, right?

[00:15:15] Wendy Strgar: Like the, the, the, it’s all intertwined, you know, so the way that people have sexual dysfunction is not really different than the ways in which they, don’t relate to themselves hormonally, right? Like if they, that same woman who you’re trying to explain, if you would eat a whole diet, right? Like as gently as you can.

[00:15:35] Wendy Strgar: And you know, maybe cheese isn’t good for you. Maybe gluten isn’t really your friend right now. Right? Like just things like that, you know, it’s like all of those processes feed each other or don’t. Right. So Can we just jump for a minute to vaginal dysbiotic conditions? I

[00:15:50] Jenny Swisher: was going to say, so I was going to connect this by saying, I mean, my listeners know, I teach the five fundamentals of hormone balance, right?

[00:15:52] Jenny Swisher: We talk nutrition, bio individual supplementation, sleep, exercise, and managing your traumas, right? And these are the things that are within our control to work on. And so I’ll bridge this conversation because I do want to get into sex and painful sex and libido and vaginal microbiome. I want to talk about that.

[00:16:06] Jenny Swisher: But sexual health plays such a critical role here, right? And if you think about it, like at the end of our life, what matters the most is our relationships. And for the majority of women that I teach, too many are suffering from hormone imbalance and too many are also suffering from, Sexual dysfunction or whatever you want to call it, right?

[00:16:21] Jenny Swisher: Like struggling. They’re

[00:16:22] Wendy Strgar: connected, right? It’s the same thing almost, you know,

[00:16:24] Jenny Swisher: it’s like, what do you see most often as far as like what women will finally speak up to? Cause I’ve learned, you know, women don’t talk about their periods. They don’t talk about these things until you open it.

[00:16:32] Wendy Strgar: No, I know it’s true.

[00:16:33] Wendy Strgar: And it’s tragic. I mean, that’s why like endometriosis is usually a diagnosis that’s that takes up to 10 years. And usually it’s usually it’s when they’re infertile, right? Like that’s how they learn it, which is such a tragedy, right? But same thing with PCOS, right? That diagnosis frequently is five to seven years.

[00:16:52] Wendy Strgar: And, and to

[00:16:52] Jenny Swisher: get the diagnosis I read recently, it takes five doctors to get a PCOS diagnosis.

[00:16:55] Wendy Strgar: Yeah, I mean, it’s kind of nuts actually, the things that we don’t understand or know about women and so many of them are sourced at hormonal imbalance and so much hormonal imbalance. I mean, I love that you said managing your trauma, right?

[00:17:09] Wendy Strgar: Because there is like a profound way. And especially sexual trauma also, which is not like something that happens only to a few people, right? Like sexual traumas. We’re doing a study in Nebraska, quite trying to connect sort of how dysbiotic vaginal biome states are connected to lack of desire. Right. And because honestly, that’s like, you know, just in the same way that there’s a gut brain access, there’s also a vaginal brain access, right.

[00:17:33] Wendy Strgar: Because your microbiome runs through your whole body. It’s three pounds of tissue, right. And, and germs, right. So it’s like a big part of you actually starts in your sinuses, works in your oral biome, goes down to your gut, which is kind of like the, we call that gut brain access, because not only is that controlling how you’re digesting.

[00:17:53] Wendy Strgar: testing, even things like trauma, I might add, right, but you know, speaking a lot to your hormones, but also, really running your immune system, right? So if that’s not working, you’re going to get way sicker way more often. Right. And so, but that goes all the way down to your rectal and your vaginal microbiome.

[00:18:11] Wendy Strgar: And so if your microbiome is completely dysbiotic, how could it be sending signals to your brain for arousal, which the purpose of is reproduction. But if you’re dysbiotic, you’re not actually going to be reproducing well. Right. So, so yeah, I feel like. All these things are we live in one body and all these things are existing and coexisting and co morbid in this one body, but but, you know, so a lot of women, you know have vaginal microbiome issues and, you know, and so for a long time, I told you I came into my work because I was trying to save my sex life, right?

[00:18:42] Wendy Strgar: And I had a lot of pain because I had four children and this vaginal prolapse and blah, blah, blah, all these stories. Right. And then and then I would keep be given these products, these you know, personal lubricants, that were basically made of propylene glycol, which is the same thing as antifreeze.

[00:18:58] Wendy Strgar: And so when you think about antifreeze and like the freezing point of antifreeze, which is really high, that’s one way you can understand salt balance. So if you’re using products in your On your labia or in your vagina that have ingredients like glycols, propylene glycol, polyethylene glycol, ingredients like that.

[00:19:08] Wendy Strgar: We know that they’re not designed to match the biology of that tissue. And so what they do is they strip the epithelium of that tissue, which is like that top layer, which is your immune function layer in your vaginal health. And so all of those cells get sloughed off because Because they’re heavier. I mean, right.

[00:19:29] Wendy Strgar: So when you think of osmosis, I’m just going to give a tiny little quick chemistry lesson, osmosis is like how the body’s trying to balance what’s in and outside of the cells. So if you’re using products that are way chemically heavier, which is to say a higher freezing point is another way to think about it, then all of the water gets sucked out of those cells and all those cells gets left off.

[00:19:49] Wendy Strgar: So you become 60 percent more susceptible to bacterial vaginosis within four hours just by using those products. And because so many women have a microbiome makeup, which we don’t know why this is true. We only know that it’s true. Is that one third of women somehow have a really healthy microbiome that they just keep coming back to all the time.

[00:20:12] Wendy Strgar: We don’t know why it’s true. We just know that they’re lucky. Another third of women never have the right bacteria. They’re constantly dysbiotic, right? There’s so their, their cells are always shedding. So those are the women that are most at risk. susceptible, but probably least likely to know how susceptible they are because they’ve never felt healthy.

[00:20:29] Wendy Strgar: Right. And then there’s that group in the middle that can feel themselves going out of balance and trying to get back into balance all the time. So basically two thirds of women on any given day are either dysbiotic or trying to get out of being dysbiotic, which is a lot of women, right? Like 70 million women minimum.

[00:20:49] Wendy Strgar: are in these conditions. And, and I can guarantee you that it’s also associated with, you know, we know that when with PCOS and endo and a lot of chronic conditions like lichen sclerosis and lichens planus and, you know, recurrent bacterial vaginosis. and recurrent UTIs, and I could go on and on, right?

[00:21:08] Wendy Strgar: There’s a minimum of 12 conditions. Even many reproductive cancers, right, are, you know, HPV, which is actually a bacterial or viral condition in the microbiome. All of these things are baking in our microbiome, and so if you’re in those two groups where you don’t have the right bacteria, you’re way more susceptible to these recurrent infections and infections.

[00:21:30] Wendy Strgar: And to these chronic pain conditions, even vulvodynia, which we really don’t understand, right. Or vestibulodynia, which is like this, this excruciating pain where women just can’t be penetrated. Right. Like it’s just too painful, but for years and years, women were just sent away by their doctor. Oh, it’s just in your head or.

[00:21:48] Wendy Strgar: Probably needed antidepressant. No, it’s actual real condition. We don’t understand what drives that condition, but we know that when women have a balanced microbiome, the symptoms ease, the flares reduce. Yeah. So, so, you know, that’s like what I become really passionate about is that in such a foundational way, when we know that micro antibiotic resistance is a really terrifying prospect for all of us.

[00:22:10] Wendy Strgar: And almost every. form of medicine is way less willing, even pediatrics to just give you an antibiotic when you take your kid in right now, right? Like, you know, they’re not going to just give you an antibiotic for an ear thing, unless they know really, yes, that’s a bacterial infection, right? But in women’s health, the number one prescription that we still give women is antibiotics.

[00:22:33] Wendy Strgar: We know that Antibiotics is not actually something that we want to continuously give and and that you know When you go to a bio conference Like that is the number one topic that people are concerned about is antibiotic resistance and yet in women’s health That not only is that the number one prescription that we give them the same antibiotics over and over again, we don’t even check to see if people are now resistant because they’ve gotten that antibiotic so many times.

[00:23:01] Wendy Strgar: And we will even tell pregnant women that they should stay in an antibiotic for their entire pregnancy. I mean, it’s literally. Insanity. So we, and what makes that the most frustrating for me is that we don’t even test to see what bugs are there, right? Like when most people are being tested for say BV, I mean, in UTIs it gets more serious because if you don’t get the bug right in a UTI, I mean, there’s a lot of presumptions that are made about recurrent infections.

[00:23:32] Wendy Strgar: One that 80 percent of the time it’s E. coli for a UTI. It’s actually only. 30 percent of the time, but we don’t actually look, but in UTIs because it’s so dangerous, they have to do more elaborate testing and still even the testing protocols, you have to wait days and days to find the right antibiotic, which, you know, is very dangerous when it comes to UTIs can become a kidney infection and then you’re in the hospital, right?

[00:23:54] Wendy Strgar: But for bacterial vaginosis, which is, which is, I think, at the root of what’s happening in UTIs where you’re constantly have an overgrowth of bad bacteria. And you don’t have, you’re not actually doing anything to, to in like grow and cultivate good bacteria. All you’re doing constantly is killing the bad bacteria.

[00:24:11] Wendy Strgar: So that’s why the recurrence rate is so high, right? You don’t just kill the bad, the bad bacteria. When you take antibiotics, it doesn’t matter if it’s for your sinuses or your throat or whatever, you’re killing all the good bacteria, your whole microbiome. And so that’s why doctors will say, Take a probiotic when you’re using an antibiotic, right?

[00:24:28] Wendy Strgar: Like just trying to replenish, but, but they don’t tell women that, right. That’s not a protocol for women. And so there’s just a lot of ways that women’s health medicine, standard of care medicine has not been modernized in many, many years. I mean, in my entire life, honestly. And so women like are like, here’s another thing, right?

[00:24:49] Wendy Strgar: Like yeast infections, which are often also associated with a lot of things we were talking about before about your hormones and like all of those things. Right. They’re not really driven by pH in the way that bacteria is, right? Like in order to really maintain a healthy microbiome, if you keep your pH at 3.

[00:25:05] Wendy Strgar: 7 intravaginally, then that’s what good bacteria need to thrive, right? So that’s what all of our products at good clean love are designed to do, right? And it’s just to reduce the pH constantly over time. And then a lot of these symptoms will go away. A lot of these conditions will quiet down. But it’s not easy because that’s a dynamic environment.

[00:25:23] Wendy Strgar: But fungal infections actually are the reverse. So a lot of times you start to kill all the bacteria and then all this fungus has like all this room to grow. We have new solutions for that also, but like, because most women really don’t understand what’s happening for them, they’ll monostat when it’s not a fungal infection.

[00:25:44] Wendy Strgar:Right. Like bacterial infections are almost always primary. And then fungal or secondary. Sometimes you can have them comorbid, but not always. Usually when you’re bringing the bacteria down, that’s where the fungus starts to go up. But,

[00:25:56] Jenny Swisher: yeah, but

[00:25:56] Wendy Strgar: when you don’t get this, you know, and because that’s the only thing they can actually deal with by themselves at the drug store, that’s what they’re continuously buying.

[00:26:04] Wendy Strgar: And, and, you know, instead of calling this a disease state, and it’s not a disease state, right? Like there are bacteria that are. overtaking your healthy bacteria, but it’s a dynamic thing, right? Like when you have sex, your pH is going to go up because semen is higher. When you get your period, your pH is going to go up because blood is a high pH.

[00:26:24] Wendy Strgar: When you wear yoga pants and you’re sweaty for a long time, That can drive your pH up, right? Like there’s all kinds of things that we do in just a day to day. You know, you, you go to the beach and you’re in a wet bathing suit for a while. Like all these things affect the microbes that can thrive in those different environments.

[00:26:39] Wendy Strgar: And so you’re constantly just in the same way, you wouldn’t just wash your hair once a month, right? Just in the same way that you deal with your hair biome or your skin biome on your face. If we thought about our vaginal microbiomes in that kind of like a daily care way, which is what I’m constantly endorsing and why we’re building a new platform to create these protocols for people.

[00:26:57] Wendy Strgar: Then women can maintain their vaginal health themselves. They don’t need to keep going back to the doctor. Of course, all the things you were saying at the beginning of this call about like what they’re eating. Whether they sleep, whether they’re managing their traumas, including their sexual traumas, you know, all of those things are going to also affect what’s happening in their body.

[00:27:16] Wendy Strgar: Right. So it’s not like you just do this one thing and then that’s going to solve all your vaginal problems. But, but for sure, maintaining a healthy microbiome really reduces the symptomology of all these conditions we’re talking about.

[00:27:29] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. And I can’t help but think too, that like, You know, women who are struggling, like I think about when I was on birth control for several years, kind of just making this full circle, I was on it from the age of 14 to 22, I was on it for a long time, right?

[00:27:40] Jenny Swisher: Eight years. And like you said before, nobody tells you that it’s depleting your B vitamins and all these things that are happening. But anyway, regardless, How long did that take you to come back to regular cycling again? I don’t know if I ever have. I, I like to say, you know, I mean, I’ve dedicated my life’s work to understanding hormones and I did get back to regular cycles, but my husband and I went through infertility.

[00:27:59] Jenny Swisher: I went through five and a half years of chronic migraines coming off of the birth control pill. I mean, it’s, I literally, I mean, Attribute so much to that birth control use that I had no idea at the time was causing. Why did they put you on that? Yeah. So my, so at the age of 14, my now husband and I were high school sweethearts and I’m from a really small town.

[00:28:15] Jenny Swisher: And my mom was very worried that we were going to have like a teenage pregnancy, even though we never had any sort of sexual action until our twenties. He was really worried about it. And I I. Also was very, like, I had a lot of acne. I couldn’t, you know, we were like accutane, of course, at that stage of life, like I grew up on a farm, so everything was like beef, right?

[00:28:37] Jenny Swisher: So my nutrition was the best, but nobody knew about that. I mean, at that point, nobody was, so anyway, when I’m on the birth control pill. And and then in my twenties in college, that particular birth control pill was pulled from the market and they started to try to try me on different other brands.

[00:28:52] Jenny Swisher: And when I heard brands, I went like batshit crazy. Like I literally had, I was sleeping in a cold dorm and my sorority house and I was having hot flashes at the age of 20. I was having. Like massive migraines, vertigo. I was having

[00:29:04] Wendy Strgar: Jenny. I just want to tell you that like, this is the thing that I’ve been seeing in my studies, which is that, like, I wish that that was like unique to you, but the number of women that deal with this in their twenties is just astounding.

[00:29:17] Wendy Strgar: And of course we know there’s all these endocrine disruptors in these plastic bottles that we drink all the time. And, you know, I mean, there, I mean, there’s so many environmental things that are playing in it. You know, I mean,

[00:29:29] Jenny Swisher: That’s exactly what I was gonna say next is in hearing you talk about this, right?

[00:29:29] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. I, I can’t think like, okay, so if we know that two thirds of women are dealing with some sort of like vaginal microbiome dysfunction or whatever the phrase is, dys dysbiosis. Mm-Hmm. . Then I, we have to also ask the question that like, okay, I know for me on the birth control pill, there was no, I didn’t have any natural lubrication of course.

[00:29:38] Jenny Swisher: ’cause I wasn’t ovulating. Mm-Hmm. my body wasn’t lubrication. So the first thing you think is if I am going to have sexual intercourse, like I need a, a lubricant. Right? So then women are right. These lubricants that are probably offsetting their toxic. Yep. Disruptors, which is a whole other ball game of like the, you know, average woman applies per day.

[00:29:55] Jenny Swisher: That’s also disruptive. But also like the things that we’re applying down there. For just,

[00:29:59] Wendy Strgar: and many women will have reactions, right? Many women will feel it, but a lot of women, because they don’t feel anything there won’t, you know, or actually, you know, another thing is, is like washes, right? Like doctors will say, Oh, it’s a self cleaning oven, which is kind of ridiculous because you know, when you’re cycling and you have different kinds of mucus at different times, you know, you, you want to rinse.

[00:30:18] Wendy Strgar: You know, you really want something that’s going to make you feel fresh. But a lot of those washes like summer’s eve and the fragrances they use are like really, I mean, the, the research on those products, it’s astonishing that they stay on the market, truthfully. And, and so, but women like then, I mean, one of the biggest fears Or let me just say that one of the highest motivators for women to seek out product or help is odor, right?

[00:30:38] Wendy Strgar: And so I just want to say this, that odor, vaginal odor, there is a natural vaginal odor, which is really sexy and sweet and musky, and many women don’t know what that odor is for them. But there are other odors with other types of infections like BV is there’s a really sour. Kind of bad fish smell almost.

[00:30:56] Wendy Strgar: I mean, it’s distinct for each woman, but she knows that there’s something up. Right. I mean, you know, if I’m traveling, because I tend that way, right? Like I have, I work really hard to maintain my microbiome, but once I go traveling, it’s like, all bets are off and I can tell right away. It’s like, okay you know, I’m already in this.

[00:31:08] Wendy Strgar: And it’s true about menopausal women, just like, like cycling women, you know, in your reproductive years and, and those women, we won’t even talk about it all menopausal women, you know, but but it’s just as important for no matter where you are in your reproductive cycle to maintain your microbiome, you know.

[00:31:16] Wendy Strgar: And that does really support you to want to have sex, right? So when you have that sweet smell, that’s like a turn on. And you know that your body is like, Oh, I could like, think about this. Even me now, you know and so. So, so I think there’s all kinds of reasons that, you know, really good have vaginal health hygiene, makes a difference for people.

[00:31:37] Wendy Strgar: So, you know, our base protocol is a wash and a vaginal gel probiotic that brings the good bacteria to all those women that never have it. And we have done some clinical trials on that protocol and found that women have Like can maintain a reduced pH over time, which were one of the few protocols that have shown that and that their symptoms, all the symptoms, odor, pain, discomfort, flares, they all dissipate.

[00:32:07] Wendy Strgar: At

[00:32:07] Jenny Swisher: the end of this, we’ll definitely make sure we link everything up for you guys in the show notes. Cause I definitely want you to share more about that, but I want to make sure we squeeze in just a little, a couple of last questions. One I was really shocked when I started coming out with, hormone health education courses and, working with women more one on one through consults.

[00:32:20] Jenny Swisher: I was really surprised at the number of women who would say they’ve never had an orgasm before. Women who’ve been married for 20, 25 years who, you know, their relationships are struggling. Yeah. They would say like, I remember the first time I ever heard it. I remember not almost like I didn’t want to, I was like, is that even believable?

[00:32:38] Jenny Swisher: Like, I don’t know. Like, and so I would love to touch on that. And I love that we started here with the vaginal microbiome, because I think I bet you that 99 percent of my listeners right now have never thought of this. Like it’s never been anything popped up in their mind. They think, and I think it’s, some of it is societal.

[00:32:49] Jenny Swisher: Like we’ve been sort of cultured or conditioned into this belief that either it’s all in our heads or we just need to change our behaviors or, or try a sex toy at work. Go on the antidepressant or whatever. And in reality, you are a natural being. And so of course, like you said before, we take care of our gut microbiome.

[00:33:03] Jenny Swisher: We take care of our skin health. We, of course we should be taking care of our vaginal. So I love that we started there cause I’m very much, but I also want to talk about, okay.

[00:33:12] Wendy Strgar: Listen, orgasm is like literally, I think actually in the whole garden of Adam and Eve, like the forbidden fruit is orgasm, right?

[00:33:20] Wendy Strgar: Like that is the thing that the church does didn’t want people to know about. Because then they reach God by themselves, right? Because when you orgasm with somebody, it’s a mystical experience. And I don’t even mean that you orgasm with them at the exact same moment. But that you actually allow that experience to happen with someone that loves you, right?

[00:33:40] Wendy Strgar: Like that’s life changing. It’s bonding in a way that very few things are bonding. So that’s why everybody wants it. Right. Or that they feel like somehow if they, if they don’t have it, something is wrong with them. And I just want to just say things, a few things that like, it’s not just women that have trouble orgasming, right?

[00:33:53] Wendy Strgar: Like the, like when you look at the statistics for men and women, there’s a Just as many men, many men have premature ejaculation or inability to ejaculate or right. Like there’s just as many men who come to a bedroom afraid that they’re not going to perform as women who are afraid that they can’t have an orgasm.

[00:34:09] Wendy Strgar: Right. And so like faking orgasm, 80 percent of women have faked an orgasm at some point, sometimes over and over again in their life, because they don’t want to be seen as. Not able to orgasm, right? Or they want their partner to believe that they really care about it. Or sometimes, I mean, in a positive way, like faking, it helps them almost feel it.

[00:34:26] Wendy Strgar: Right. So, I mean, it’s, there’s a whole range of reasons that people do that. But the point is that, there’s so little raw, vulnerable. Conversation and we take so little time around our orgasmic and sexual function. The average sex lasts for seven minutes in this country. And that’s on the long side, four to seven minutes.

[00:34:49] Wendy Strgar: So I just want to say, I don’t know what the hell they’re going to do. That’s better than sex, but like, I’m 40 to 60 minutes. So I’m not in any rush to get out of my sexual moment when I’m in it. So, but you know, whatever I. Written books about it, right? Like I, you know, and, and it’s, and even with writing books about it and really understanding how fantasy is, is actually the natural rocket fuel we were given, to, to actually, like raise our sexual arousal, right?

[00:35:12] Wendy Strgar: Many women are afraid to look at their own fantasies, right? Or they think, oh my God, something’s wrong with me. How could I think that usually our fantasies are not politically correct by definition, right? So I mean, it took me 20 years to say them out loud, let alone enact them with my psychiatrist husband.

[00:35:27] Wendy Strgar: I would try to say it and, and, and I, and I couldn’t get the words out, right? Like I couldn’t get myself to say, here’s what I’m thinking, because I was like, fuck, why am I thinking this? Did this happen to me? Or, you know, but it’s like, Our fantasies come from all different places in our subconscious. It’s not very different from dreaming, honestly.

[00:35:42] Wendy Strgar: But if you won’t give yourself access to any fantasy, then it’s really hard to keep that energy going when you’re not falling in love with somebody, right? Like most people, when they think about sexual arousal, they think about it when they first met their husband or their partner. And it was like all really peaked, right?

[00:35:59] Wendy Strgar: Like when you fall in love with somebody All these hormones are racing. There’s you get, you get so much biological support for your sexual drive that you don’t have most of the time in your life. And so that’s really important to keep in mind, so that you don’t blame yourself, right? That you don’t think, Oh, what’s wrong with me.

[00:36:17] Wendy Strgar: But for most people, you have to learn a pathway to get to that sexual self. Right. And whatever that is for you. One of the things that I think is really, really helpful. often ignore our sense of smell. That’s why I was talking about a good, sweet smelling vagina is really an arousal mechanism, but so are other things.

[00:36:37] Wendy Strgar: A lot of men are super about cinnamon. I don’t know why, you know, but like, you know, whatever that scent is for you. You know, I, my first product that I made when I was first trying to solve my sex problems was love oil. And I actually happened to find a bottle in my, like a local store. And, and we had such great sex when I had this love oil and I was thinking, wow, we’re doing great.

[00:36:56] Wendy Strgar: Like I thought it was us. And then the love oil was gone and I was like, damn, it was that love oil. So literally that’s like what made me decide to get into this business. Cause I needed to learn how to make it. And. And so at the beginning, that’s like I made all my products at home and it was like a true cottage industry.

[00:37:13] Wendy Strgar: But, but, you know, but what I learned from that and from studying aromatherapy is that essential oils, and I’m sure you’ve done some of this with functional medicine, right? It’s kind of amazing how they work, right? Like you, the things you smell go from your nose into your olfactory bulb, which is co located with your.

[00:37:31] Wendy Strgar: With your limbic brain, it is your limbic brain. And that is where you process memories, sexuality, and emotion. And so when you can create a reliable pathway to that place in your, in your brain, that like wakes up sexuality and arousal, then you can actually trigger it and that will in turn, turn on desire.

[00:37:49] Wendy Strgar: And so that’s like a trick that I would, that I would teach people a lot. And so our love oils smell different on everybody that wears them. And any two people, you know, if you put your wrists together, your husband and your, your wrist, it creates a scent that’s unique to you and it smells different all over your body.

[00:38:05] Wendy Strgar: Right. Cause you smell different all over your body. And so what you’re doing is you’re giving this really vital information to that limbic part of your brain to wake up. Yeah. Anybody parts. Anybody part that that’s, that’s slippery and oily is way sexier than that same body part dry, right? So even if you’re rubbing your husband’s chest or he’s feeling the nape of your neck or your inner thighs, or it’s not just all genitalia, right?

[00:38:28] Wendy Strgar: Like you’re erogenous in all kinds of places. So when you’re, when you’re really smelling and touching and feeling, Somebody’s body. I mean, that’s going to add five minutes to your sex life right there. Right. And you know, hopefully you’re kissing with it. Right. And you’re inhaling. Right. And you’re, you’re like, actually, I, my husband calls it smoking me, you know, so which is kind of a funny idea.

[00:38:46] Wendy Strgar: Right. But you’re actually like, kissing. Inhaling that person and that’s actually waking up this arousal part of your brain, which is why there’s no good drugs for women, right? Like, you know, the arousal drugs that work for men impact their blood flow to their penises, right? Like that is not going to work for a woman.

[00:39:02] Wendy Strgar: A woman has to have her arousal mechanism in her brain, wake up or be open. The other thing I want to say about this is that if a woman is anxious, Either that she’s not going to be able to come or that she’s going to take too long. Actually, that’s a huge anxiety for women that it’s he’s, oh, he’s not going to wait for me or like it’s, you know, because for men they can come in, like I said, six minutes for women it’s 14 minutes.

[00:39:21] Wendy Strgar: So, so, so like, you know, but like, why would a man not want to wait to watch you become aroused and that slows them down and they have a better orgasm when they actually like see you orgasm, right? It doesn’t have to be in penetration, right? Like it can be in all that touching and toys, no toys, right? Like, you know, I mean that whole art of the make out that Many married couples lose can really be revived with love oil.

[00:39:47] Wendy Strgar: Let me just say that. Right. And, and I would say this too, that there, you know, I, I have a no penetration before clitoral orgasm rule, because your body is not ready. After you have a clitoral orgasm, which is the, you know, the clitoris is, we think it’s just that little button on top of our labia, right?

[00:40:04] Wendy Strgar: Like hidden under the hood. But actually it’s an organ system. And when you orgasm, like by just somebody masturbating you, or you masturbating yourself, or whatever it is, oral sex works for a lot of women, right? If they, if they can not be anxious about how do I look? How do I smell? If they can just be in that moment and feel what it is to feel like your body feeling pleasure, right?

[00:40:28] Wendy Strgar:Like, if you can give yourself permission to just have a moment, just a little moment of that. And so then when you, when you have that external clitoral orgasm, your, those, these clitoral legs that go up to the back of your vagina engorge with blood. And then penetration is really a hoot, right? But it

[00:40:47] Jenny Swisher: would have been 20 minutes earlier.

[00:40:50] Wendy Strgar: Well, if you try to get penetrated before that experience, it’s going to hurt. Like I’ve had people say to me, you know, I’ve tried your lube, but it doesn’t work. And I’m like, okay, let’s, I’d love to hear more about that. Well, you know, they, she gets in bed and she squirts it on and that’s like going to do it.

[00:41:05] Wendy Strgar: No, that is not going to do it. Orgasm. I mean, like, you know, and then that’s the only way you’re ever going to have an internal orgasm is if you’ve had an external one first. But if many women who’ve never like even given themselves, even with themselves, right? Like, so let me just say something about masturbation.

[00:41:18] Wendy Strgar: That’s really important. So, you know, when you masturbate, then you know how it feels when it feels good. And if you can masturbate till you orgasm till you climax, then you know what that span is, what that is like, how the touch changes over time. That makes you a really helpful, like interesting lover because you know, then you can, you can be with somebody without that anxiety that you don’t know how to get there.

[00:41:42] Wendy Strgar: And they can actually not worry about you getting there, right? Because there’s this understanding and, but like even in masturbation, many women will not masturbate until they climax because they don’t trust themselves. And so that’s like just one of the top piece of advice that I could give to any woman.

[00:42:02] Wendy Strgar: It’s like you, you know, like something like a really high percentage of women. 10 orgasm on their own. Way higher than in partnered sex. Way higher. But, but not if you don’t finish.

[00:42:11] Jenny Swisher: Yeah.

[00:42:11] Wendy Strgar: You know, so it’s like even if it’s going to take longer or you need a toy or you like need something to lubricate it, right?

[00:42:17] Wendy Strgar: Like you can’t really, masturbate without love oil or a lubricant, right? Like, it doesn’t work, you know? So, so, and, and, but like the other thing that I think is really important, and I know I’m kind of going on and on because I feel so passionate about this, but here’s one thing about your brain. We know that arousal starts in your brain.

[00:42:36] Wendy Strgar: The other thing that starts in your brain is anxiety. And if you’re running an anxious thing in your head, a story, a narrative about how your body doesn’t look good enough, how you smell bad, how, whatever it is, or how you’re, how are you going to finish dinner in time? Or why didn’t I finish that report yesterday?

[00:42:53] Wendy Strgar: It literally could be about anything that actually turns off the function that allows you to get aroused. So you can’t run anxiety and then also have arousal, right? So you can only get to that part of your arousal brain. If you can set that other stuff down for a minute and feel what it is to live in your human body.

[00:43:19] Wendy Strgar: So that’s why all the things you were saying earlier. And of course, hormones have everything to do with all of this, right? There are for sure times in a month that you just don’t have that on. And hormonally, it makes sense. Why would you when you’re about to bleed? Right. I mean, some women like to have sex when they’re going to bleed.

[00:43:38] Wendy Strgar: But many women do not. Right. Like it’s just like the hormones sort of fall down at that part of the cycle. Right. And so

[00:43:43] Jenny Swisher: So just helping your, your significant other understand those highs and lows, like that’s been game changing for so many of the women in my community, like your body’s really only optimized for ripping each other’s clothes off for about 48 hours a month.

[00:43:54] Jenny Swisher: The rest of the time, it takes different things when progesterone is queen. We need, women need to slow down. We need the snuggle. We need that more intimate interaction, right? Whereas the first half of our cycle, estrogen’s in charge and she’s like ready to go on a date night and ready to rock and roll.

[00:44:06] Jenny Swisher: So when women can understand that, which of course all centers around ovulation and producing our own hormones, we start, it uplevels your relationship because then you can then teach your husband like, okay, this is

[00:44:15] Wendy Strgar: where I mean. Watch a movie. And all these things we’re talking about could be real conversations, maybe not at dinnertime, but like before you go to bed, you know, here’s this weirdly interesting thing I learned on this podcast.

[00:44:29] Wendy Strgar: Right. And so, and I didn’t realize I’ve been anxious all the time that I feel afraid that you have to wait for me. And then he’s going to be like, Baby, I just want to wait for you as long as it takes. That’s like what the, that’s, that’s what a loving husband would say or partner or whoever they are.

[00:44:44] Wendy Strgar: Right. And I just want to say to a woman, like, if you’re not with somebody who really cares about your pleasure, and it’s crazy, like there’s statistics about this too. So many women are with. Partners that don’t care about their pleasure, you know, or one night stands and it’s like, you’re not going to have pleasure out of that encounter.

[00:45:04] Wendy Strgar: So why would you screw up your microbiome to do that? Right? Like, what are you getting from it? You know?

[00:45:10] Jenny Swisher: Well, I have a few things I want to touch on that you that you were saying, and then I know we need to, we need to wrap it up here soon, but, I want to say this for my listeners, one book that has been a game changer for me, and I want to link up your books as well, is Come As You Are, is a great book.

[00:45:21] Jenny Swisher: I don’t know the author’s name. Great book, actually. But when you start to realize, I know Dr. Page and I have talked about this in consults with women, before, you, you start to learn how men and women are different when it comes to sexual pleasure. And I know reading that book for me was really game changing.

[00:45:34] Jenny Swisher: Not only does she give really adequate information about anatomy. which a lot of us don’t have, but she talks too about like what turns on a man versus what turns on a woman. And she talks about specifically, you know, you might bend over at the freezer to pick out something for dinner and your husband, that’s all he needs to be, to be sexually aroused.

[00:45:48] Jenny Swisher: Whereas a woman is literally, and I say this often on the podcast, we wear all the hats, we’re in charge of our kids lunches and the laundry. And in a lot of cases, I’m not saying dominantly, but I know we are for most of us. And we have all that we’re carrying all that around with us. And so women who literally say like, I can’t even get in that frame of mind until everything is done.

[00:46:01] Jenny Swisher: Like until my house feels clean, until all this is done, the little things that like helping your spouse understand that, like, for me, my love language is acts of service, right? And so the other night my husband was reorganizing our garage and I have, this garage has been making me anxious for so long.

[00:46:13] Jenny Swisher: And it was the hottest thing he’s done for me. Like, I was like, you know, he could have flirted and made all the comments and touched and whatever else, but like, that was like what I needed in that moment. Right. And so helping your spouse understand too, that like women have trouble letting those things down.

[00:46:23] Jenny Swisher: And, They may not like to them. It’s like, why can’t we just pop in the bedroom and make this happen? And you’re thinking because a million things need to be done first. That book really opened up my eyes to like, this is how men are turned on. This is how women are turned on. The other thing I want to say is I wish I knew this woman’s name.

[00:46:38] Jenny Swisher: I heard this on a podcast. I referenced this so much. I wish I could go back and find it. She was, talking specifically about action, like the act of sex. And she was talking about how for women, it’s an outside in thing. So like,

[00:46:49] Wendy Strgar: you’re talking

[00:46:50] Jenny Swisher: about, well, she was talking about how like men need to sort of work.

[00:46:52] Jenny Swisher: Like when you’re in that sort of, I’ll say heterosexual, sexual interaction, the things you were mentioning, you know, touching the thigh, kissing behind the ear, like working on you from the outside in before penetration. Is so key to getting that brain response and getting your, you know, yourself ready for that penetration.

[00:47:10] Jenny Swisher: When I tell women that, like, I don’t know the percentage, but it’s a very high percentage of women. Like, don’t actually orgasm with penetration. It actually like

[00:47:15] Wendy Strgar: most women won’t. Right. But like I said, you

[00:47:17] Jenny Swisher: know, I realized that they’re like, really? And I’m like, yeah, like, because once again, let’s go back to where we started.

[00:47:21] Jenny Swisher: Sex education is not what it should be. So. And of course, if women don’t understand their anatomy, which we’ve established here on this podcast, of course, all these things women, when they start to learn them make sense, right?

[00:47:31] Wendy Strgar: Yeah, no, I mean, for sure. And what I would say is that, like that little rule I said about external orgasm, clitoral orgasm before penetration.

[00:47:40] Wendy Strgar: I mean, I tell that to people a lot and they’re like, Oh, right. Like it’s like a light is going on, you know? And work with that. Yeah. I mean, and, you know, honestly, Like that, you know, however long that takes to have that experience is such a breakthrough moment for a couple that like the fear that it’s taking too long, shouldn’t even be part of the anxiety play, you know?

[00:47:57] Wendy Strgar: So yeah, you know, I wrote this book. book called sex that works a guide to, I dunno, sort of enduring intimacy or, you know, I wrote two other books. Well, another one called, it’s called love that works, but there’s so many really great ideas in my book about sex that works. You can get it as a Kindle on Amazon.

[00:48:15] Wendy Strgar: And you know, and it’s not like a sex book about, like toys, use this, use that. It’s really like, really more about that inner, right? Like about what, you know, how do you bring curiosity to this part of your life? How do you bring, fantasy? How do you allow fantasy to live inside of you? You know, it’s like, it’s topics like that, that are, that, that you could apply almost to any part of your life, honestly, you know, of just being open minded and not being judgmental About who you are or about what sex is, right?

[00:48:43] Wendy Strgar: And so a lot of people have said that it’s really helpful. So I feel like people will get some, some good stories and ways to think in there. And there are actually a remarkable number, like there’s, there’s really great books out there for clitoral. You know, just to learn about your clitoris and the whole clitoral organ system.

[00:48:55] Wendy Strgar: So for sure, I talk about in my book and in a lot of podcasts and things I do about creating your own sex education. There’s never been a time where there’s more real good information available, but you just have to be curious.

[00:49:11] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. You know,

[00:49:11] Wendy Strgar: you just have to, you just have to want to know and not judge yourself for wanting to know, right?

[00:49:16] Wendy Strgar: Like realizing that your sexual erotic self is one of the most powerful and profound parts of who you are.

[00:49:26] Jenny Swisher: Perfect. We’ve covered so much. I love that. We started with the vaginal microbiome. I love that. We’ve touched on painful sex. We talked about orgasm. We’ve talked about intimacy and sexual health. There’s so much good stuff here.

[00:49:34] Jenny Swisher: I’m going to refer this out often. Wendy, thank you so much for your time. I would love for you if you told us about your book, make sure you send me a list of your books. I’ll get them linked up in the show notes for people so they can swipe up to find those, but also tell us more about this love oil.

[00:49:46] Jenny Swisher: Where can we find that? Where can we find you if you’re on social media or where can we find out more from you?

[00:49:51] Wendy Strgar: Yeah. So, good, clean love. com and all of the channels, Twitter, or maybe not Twitter, but you know, Instagram, Tik TOK. And then there’s also a Wendy Stregar channel on Tik TOK and, and, Instagram and YouTube.

[00:50:08] Wendy Strgar: So you can find us there, you know, good, clean love. com has all these products, that I was discussing with you earlier. So I can send you links to some of those things also. And yeah, my books are on Amazon, and I think they might be on sale on Good Clean Love too. So, so I just really enjoyed it and yours is a wealth of information, Jenny.

[00:50:31] Wendy Strgar: You know, I’m going to refer people to your podcast as well. I mean, more people need to be doing what you’re doing for women, honestly. So I’m happy to know you and I’m glad we found each other so we can actually work with each other. I’m going to be starting a podcast here soon too. So I really want to bring you on there.

[00:50:46] Wendy Strgar: So we’ll for sure do that. And, and I would just say one thing to all these women listening, and I would just say, be kind to yourself, you know, like these problems that you’re facing are like part of a much larger cultural issue and, and that you deserve real answers and you deserve to feel pleasure in this life.

[00:50:59] Wendy Strgar: Absolutely.

[00:51:00] Jenny Swisher: Absolutely. 3 percent of doctors and practitioners are informed on hormone health with millions of things. And so it starts with podcasts. It starts with the information that we can learn about elves. And so I’m glad that you’re doing that work alongside me. So thank you so much for taking time.

[00:51:12] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. There’s so many more things I wanted to ask you. So I’d love to do

[00:51:15] Wendy Strgar: it again, for sure,

[00:51:16] Jenny Swisher: for sure. So, all right, you guys, thank you so much for listening, swipe up for all the weeks and we’ll talk again soon. Bye bye. Thanks, bye.

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