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[00:00:56] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the sync your life podcast today. I’m joined by my new friend, Dr. Hans Thomas Richter. I’m super excited for this interview. We had a chance to connect a few weeks ago, and this is a topic that we’re covering today that I feel a lot of women need to hear about this whole idea of metabolic health and how that might look for you.

[00:01:16] Jenny Swisher: I love his background. I’m going to read for you his bio. He’s a seasoned practitioner and researcher in the field of traditional Chinese medicine and nutritional science with a robust career transition from biomedical research. To natural medicine. He owns and operates nature works therapeutics and the wellness resource, omega three health.

[00:01:34] Jenny Swisher: us. We’re going to hear more about his book, nourish and flourish. We’re going to hear more about just his topics of expertise, but really everything centers around this idea. of chronic illnesses, what drives them and our overall metabolic health. So without further ado, welcome Dr. Richter to the show.

[00:01:50] Jenny Swisher: Please tell my listeners who you are, what you do, and how you got to doing what you do.

[00:01:54] Hans Richter: Yeah. Thanks for inviting me. Uh, I’m excited to talk about omega 3 every day. , it’s become my pet peeve. , I’ve been practicing Chinese medicine for 14 years now. And before that I was a scientist and about six years ago I added stem cell therapy to my regimen.

[00:02:16] Hans Richter: But I always knew there was something missing and three years ago a German colleague pointed omega 3 out to me and ever since then I’ve been on fire so I can actually put this into their context. of Chinese medicine as well. And there’s a chapter in my book, The Yin and Yang of Fat, which might be interesting to people to look at this from a little different perspective.

[00:02:42] Hans Richter: However, we have known now for a long, long time how important omega 3 is, and most people are taking supplements. However, Nobody is testing. The testing is extremely important. And it’s actually very, very shameful, almost criminal that Western medicine isn’t testing. So, This company I’ve been working with now for over three years, they offer a test and they test your six to three index.

[00:03:17] Hans Richter: What does that mean? So basically it’s a little blood prick. We look at the red blood cell membrane, which are a mirror of all of your cells in your body. And omega three obviously lives in the membrane. And so does omega six, which is inflammatory. And omega 3 is supposed to counteract that, being anti inflammatory.

[00:03:41] Hans Richter: There’s a lot more that omega 3 does, but that’s the main aspect that we always pay attention to, which plays into the whole topic of metabolic, , profile metabolic health that we will come to. So the issue is that Americans test at 25 to 1 inflammatory. What does that mean? Every time a cell breaks down in your body, no matter where, it turns out to be 24, 25 to 1 inflammatory.

[00:04:16] Hans Richter: So the inflammation never gets turned off. , and that is basically the root cause for chronic inflammation. So again, we grew up on a hunters and gatherers diet. And that brings us to a close to one to one ratio of omega six to three so inflammation versus anti inflammation everything in nature is balanced right so if you look at the Tai Chi, young symbol.

[00:04:44] Hans Richter: It’s all about balance so we need information so when you have an. An accident or injury, you basically need massive inflammation to combat infections and start the healing process, platelets, you name it, but then it needs to be turned off. And that’s no longer the case. So once we started farming 15, 000 years ago, our ratio of inflammation to counter inflammation went up and up and up and up and up.

[00:05:13] Hans Richter: And, uh, You can look at traditional hunters and gatherers tribes. That’s kind of how we know. So this is long known since the 70s. The Eskimos have a close to one to one ratio and they have almost no heart disease. And U. S. is 24 to 1, like I said, average. And heart disease is prevalent. And The Inuit and Japanese Anui tribes are just on a linear relationship in between those so and Eskimos who move to Denmark, basically, get heart disease and a higher index.

[00:05:56] Hans Richter: So we’ve known for a long time now. That, this index is basically at the root cause of all inflammation, that is, really, again, not the only thing omega 3 does, but that’s the main thing we should be paying attention to. So, why is this not tested? I don’t know. , I’m really shocked. Myself, I wrote in the introduction of, of my book, , 35 years ago.

[00:06:25] Hans Richter: That was the first thing that I did in the lab as a medical student. , isolating arachidonic acid, which is the inflammatory omega six, , you know, first computer controlled, , lab equipment, which broke down all the time. And so, you know, 35 years later, I didn’t have a clue. So, um, I always speak about the triangle of big pharma where a scientist never sees a patient and the doctor really never reads a study.

[00:06:56] Hans Richter: So I can talk about studies a lot. Oh, sure.

[00:07:00] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, I’m going to actually just pop in here really quick and say, for my listeners, you know, they have, this is not the first time they’ve heard about this whole Omega 6 and Omega 3 ratio and the importance of Omega 3s. Kind of recap what you’re saying, you know, before we move forward.

[00:07:15] Jenny Swisher: This is, you know, I, I like to refer to, Sean Stevenson of the model health podcast. He talks, he has a book called eat smarter and he’s a book called sleep smarter. And what hit the premise of his book is really that at the cellular level, we are what we eat. Right. And so when we are eating. Highly inflammatory processed foods.

[00:07:32] Jenny Swisher: Of course, it leads to an inflamed body.

[00:07:34] Hans Richter: In German, by the way, that rhymes, man isst, was man isst. It’s the same word.

[00:07:38] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Yeah. So, so basically like, you know, for those of you listening, right? Like if, if this is new information or if you’re wondering like, well, what exactly does that mean? Like maybe you don’t go through the McDonald’s drive thru.

[00:07:49] Jenny Swisher: You’re like, no, I do, I do the work, you know, I, I eat healthy. I can just tell you it’s

[00:07:54] Hans Richter: not

[00:07:54] Jenny Swisher: enough and I can also also tell you as the mother of two kids, right, who are growing up in an environment where their friends at school are packing lunches of things like Lunchables and.

[00:08:05] Jenny Swisher: Chips like potato chips. You look on the packaging of those types of processed foods, and even if you think you’re buying the healthier alternative, nine times out of ten, these highly processed, highly refined seed oils, which are very high in these inflammatory factors, are, are the problem. And so, yes, is it a healthier alternative potato chip?

[00:08:25] Jenny Swisher: Sure, but is it still processed in those highly refined oils? Also, yes, so I’ll just tell you from my experience as the mother of children who are dairy sensitive and with me very particular about our ingredients, right? And when I’m looking for things to help them be human, right? Like they’re still human living in our world.

[00:08:42] Jenny Swisher: So when I look for snacks that they can take to school, I’m like, Or, or whatever the case. I’m looking for, you know, no toxic oils. Like, I’m looking for things that are cooked in avocado oil, coconut oil, or olive oil. And there are I’m going to interrupt

[00:08:58] Hans Richter: you right there. So even avocado and olive

[00:09:02] Jenny Swisher: oil

[00:09:03] Hans Richter: have a high omega 6 to 3 index.

[00:09:08] Hans Richter: The absolute in quantity of omega 6 in avocado and olive oil are certainly less. You always have to look at the absolute contents, right? But, , you know, there is no non inflammatory oil, period. Non inflammatory fat is basically lard from grass fed, grass finished meat.

[00:09:32] Hans Richter: So that’s venom, or, you know, if you know a farmer that doesn’t put their cows on a feedlot at the end of their cycle. And, uh, sometimes you see that labeled on a piece of beef, 15 this much, right?

[00:09:46] Jenny Swisher: Right.

[00:09:47] Hans Richter: So, uh, it’s literally impossible. And I’ll tell you two stories. Number one is traditional fishing countries like Norway, Japan, Taiwan, are testing over 10 to 1, which is half of the U.

[00:10:01] Hans Richter: S. average, right? But how is that possible, right? I just tested, um, an Alaska fisherman here. Uh, he’s 24 to 1, just like U. S. average. Why? Because he freezes his fish. So the only people out of those one million that we’ve tested, um, are fishermen who have really access to fresh fish every single day. And I did an experiment myself.

[00:10:26] Hans Richter: I spent three months in Taiwan and we go shopping there every morning to the fish market, get fresh fish. and cook it that same day, , and didn’t take my supplements, I was basically, uh, imbalanced again. So the bottom line here is, no matter what you eat, it is literally impossible to avoid omega 6. At the same time, we’re burning omega 3, DHA especially, very, very much higher rate.

[00:10:57] Hans Richter: Our kids are testing 50 to 1.

[00:10:59] Jenny Swisher: Crazy.

[00:11:01] Hans Richter: And that’s mainly the reason for , you know, ADHD, you name it, learning disabilities. Their brain is functioning on less than 5%. Your neurons can’t fire, they can’t communicate. So vesicles need omega 3 synaptic vesicles, you name it. And the eye sucks out the last DHA molecule.

[00:11:22] Hans Richter: So since Um, you are a lot into fertility. We’ll talk about metabolic profile maybe a little bit later. Yeah. Fertility, you know, we know, uh, that pregnant mothers burn DHA again at a much, much higher rate. So we put, , pregnant women, , on a double dosage. Um, you, we, so we tested the mother and the mother was previously balanced so close to, and so I want to reiterate this, that, , all research and studies show that you need to get your index.

[00:11:59] Hans Richter: below four to one, better three to one, and then disease will disappear. Okay, so people test at 25. So they’re, they’re a factor of 10 away from what it should be. And that basically, what does that mean? You have less than 2 percent of omega three in your membranes. And, uh, when it goes above eight, you’re starting to get balanced better above 10%.

[00:12:24] Hans Richter: So because at the same time, your arachidonic acid, omega 6 is up to 14%. And that’s how you kind of get that ratio. And so, um, again, it’s impossible to avoid, , omega 6, you know, even in a traditional fishing country. So, uh, fertility, the mother is somewhat balanced close to being balanced. Now the baby grows and it literally sucks out the last DHA molecule and makes the mother deficient.

[00:12:58] Hans Richter: I can see that in our tests and I, you know, if I could share a screen, I could show you how that looks like. It’s just so impressive. You know, at the same time, the baby still ends up About, you know, 60 70 percent EPA deficient because DHA is so important to develop the nervous system. And then the mother obviously is very deficient.

[00:13:20] Hans Richter: So, the pregnancy puts a high demand on on omega three. So, , fertility. We know omega three is linked to general infertility is linked to sperm infertility. So all those studies are out there, but you always have to look at the index. So, um, recently, a 700 page Cochrane review 700 page was published.

[00:13:47] Hans Richter: which is the top of the line in western medicine, not a single mention of the omega 6 3 index. How would you know that any of those studies contain non rancid omega 3 and that the omega 3 actually gets incorporated? So I can talk about studies a lot, but the bottom line here is, if the study doesn’t mention the index, Or basically looking at that, you are increasing your omega three above eight, 10%.

[00:14:18] Hans Richter: Then you don’t know whether you’re actually tweeting somebody, right?

[00:14:23] Jenny Swisher: Right. Well, it’s like test, test, not guess, right? We say that a lot here on the podcast and very similar to why are we not testing omega levels? You know, I asked the same question as Why is not everybody put on a magnesium supplement?

[00:14:34] Jenny Swisher: Why is not every woman tested through her dried urine for hormone health and hormone balance instead of waiting for a problem to come up? Right? We know that most women are now we’re starting to see a large majority. I think the book is called autoimmune cure by Dr Gottfried. So showing autoimmune disease popping up later in life during perimenopause, right?

[00:14:52] Jenny Swisher: We’re starting to see all these things happen and women, women suffering, but because the root cause testing has never been done. So the same thing goes here. I have so many notes here and I want to make sure that we, we touch on, I’m just going to kind of rapid fire some questions at you. Cause there have been a few things that you’ve said, and I want to make sure we elaborate a little bit.

[00:15:08] Jenny Swisher: Number one most fascinating is this, this idea that even the fishermen catching the fresh, freshest fish are not necessarily in that good ratio zone. You

[00:15:17] Hans Richter: have to understand omega 3 is extremely fragile molecule and I actually call it the kill switch in my book.

[00:15:25] Jenny Swisher: Okay.

[00:15:25] Hans Richter: It gets oxidized when you look at it.

[00:15:28] Hans Richter: And that is actually also its purpose. So it sits there in the cell membrane. and absorbs reactive oxygen species. And when it becomes oxidized, it turns into this non inflammatory eicosanoid. So when we talk about inflammation and what does that mean, it’s all about eicosanoids. And so there’s inflammatory series T2 eicosanoids from arachidonic acid.

[00:15:55] Hans Richter: Omega 6. And then there’s anti inflammatory icosanoid series 3 from, , Omega 3. So they’re called resolvents, mericents, and so on. So, you know, there’s a, nature has invented this ingenious process, you know, that when the cell breaks down, you know, that it actually already turns on anti inflammatory macrophages and so on and so on.

[00:16:17] Hans Richter: It’s just absolutely fascinating. The issue is, is that, you know, when you basically expose omega 3 to air, it oxidizes and, um, you have to basically keep it very, very safe. So from our 1 million tests, we know that there’s only three products in the world that are not rancid.

[00:16:40] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, that was going

[00:16:41] Hans Richter: to

[00:16:42] Jenny Swisher: be my very next question.

[00:16:43] Jenny Swisher: I wrote here, rancid supplementation for omega 3s. So more about that. So you’re telling me that like, of course. It’s not going to be news to my people that that omega 3 supplements on Amazon may not be the right avenue.

[00:16:56] Hans Richter: Oh, and they’re harmful too,

[00:16:57] Jenny Swisher: right? Because they’re actually, like you said, they, they can actually be rancid.

[00:17:01] Jenny Swisher: And recently, so my kids were put on an omega 3 supplement, which coming back to what you said earlier about ADHD, we have seen such drastic improvement in my oldest child since putting her on proper omega 3 supplementation. But the other side of it is I once this was probably about a year ago, I bought a bottle that was recommended to me from my functional medicine doctor of omega three, um, pro EPA, fish oil, etc.

[00:17:22] Jenny Swisher: And when I opened the bottle, the capsules were all stuck together. It had like a rancid smell. There was like an orange. film all over.

[00:17:30] Hans Richter: That’s shocking. It’s absolutely shocking. The manufacturers do not care and all they care about is selling a cheap product. They measure omega 3 in the fish. I’m not kidding you.

[00:17:43] Hans Richter: They could care less what happens in that gel capsule a year later. The same is true for canola oil, which contains, you know, naturally a fair amount of omega 3 actually, but you put that in a clear bottle on the shelf, you know, in the kitchen, it’s all gone. It’s all omega 6, right? So, um, you know, the nuts, you know, we all, we, I used to, when I grew up, we cracked our own nuts every winter, right?

[00:18:13] Hans Richter: Walnuts are famous for having omega 3 in them. You open them up, expose them in a bag, they’re all rancid, right? All the omega 3 is gone. So basically, the supplements, um, are rancid because we’ve done a million tests and we know there’s very, very few products and we can name a few later that actually But here’s the thing, you test yourself, you know what you’re doing is working or not, right?

[00:18:43] Hans Richter: It’s that simple. Yep. And you’ll be shocked that you’re wasting your money. And then you test yourself again every year, right? See where you’re at. You can actually overdose on omega 3.

[00:18:57] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Interesting. Did that

[00:19:00] Hans Richter: answer your question?

[00:19:01] Jenny Swisher: Yes. No, that’s exactly, I wanted to touch on the rancid supplementation because the last thing I want people to do is hear this and say, okay, Okay.

[00:19:07] Jenny Swisher: Crap. I’m probably low in my Omega threes. I should just go on Amazon and buy an Omega three supplement. When you just finished telling us that we have really three credible ones to choose from. So I’m hoping that you’re going to, maybe you could link me up with those and we can put them in the show notes, , as far as, you know, as far as the proper supplements go.

[00:19:22] Jenny Swisher: But again, coming back to this idea that if you’re not testing for it, , you don’t know if you’re improving, you don’t know what your unique situation is, right? So it goes, that goes for everything we talk about here. So. I know when I went through my IHP program with Dr. Stephen Cabral, one of the very first tests that he has you do in that program is the omega 3 test.

[00:19:39] Jenny Swisher: So when you take a client through his protocol, the first thing you do is check omega levels, right? And it should probably be one of the first things we’re doing in the American doctor’s office, but are we? No, because a person’s house is not

[00:19:50] Hans Richter: If they do, they’re testing liquid blood, which is useless.

[00:19:54] Jenny Swisher: Right.

[00:19:55] Hans Richter: So that’s the membranes. And here’s the interesting part about testing RBCs, red blood cells. Yeah, it’s they’re kind of a mirror of your whole body. It’s kind of like the A1C test so people can relate that to it. It’s a long term mirror. So, , the issue is that RBCs turn over every four months. yet.

[00:20:17] Hans Richter: The test keeps improving, improving, improving over three years, four years. So it takes time. People don’t have the patience. So for, I tell everybody, if you’re not willing to take this for a year, every single day, don’t even start. Most people feel, you know, come kind of like brain cognitive changes within a few weeks.

[00:20:43] Hans Richter: But the real changes you’ll feel in about a half a year to nine months, depending on your starting value. So my starting value was only seven to one I eat fairly good. I eat a lot of canned sardines and, you know, always avoid fast food, you name it. So that was, you know, way below us average, but I was still 65% EPA deficient.

[00:21:11] Hans Richter: Mm-Hmm, . So, um, now over 10% of my membranes are, um, loaded with Omega-3, and I’m actually in the positive, starting to overdose on the DHA. And so, um, you know, I have to retest. I just did my fourth test. It’s in the mail. making sure that I’m not overdosing.

[00:21:35] Jenny Swisher: Yeah.

[00:21:35] Hans Richter: And, uh, you, you, you take three years. Okay. So most people don’t even last six months.

[00:21:43] Hans Richter: And after six months, you’re starting to feel that, you know, it’s like a buzz and you’re like, you’re on a totally different level. Your brain functions at a different level. You, you can multitask at a speed of 10 X and, uh, Most of all, which we can switch topic now are athletic performance and heart health.

[00:22:05] Jenny Swisher: Yes.

[00:22:05] Hans Richter: And talking about metabolic profile, I just did a profile with a CO2 mask from a really prominent company. And I passed with flying colors I’m 12 years younger than my age, and I definitely was really impressed that I could verify everything on a different level. It’s not I mean, you know, regular blackboard.

[00:22:33] Hans Richter: It doesn’t really tell you anything. I mean, you know, so what you have some maybe liver enzymes, you know, cholesterol, by the way, is the biggest lie ever invented. That’s a whole nother topic for a whole nother podcast. But, the only blood work I pay attention to is kidney values. Once they start creeping up there, it’s the only organ you can’t fix.

[00:22:54] Hans Richter: So the capillaries, it’s about the fine capillaries in the glomeruli, right, in the kidneys. And they, you know, that’s what basically is so susceptible to your, , omega 3 deficiency. And, um, then, you know, it controls blood pressure, right? Then your blood pressure goes up and we call that metabolic syndrome, right? , diabetes is a liver disease. It has nothing to do with the pancreas, , in the beginning, diabetes too. And so then, you know, They’re all related and, um, metabolic syndrome is basically the umbrella of how everything that we deal with in modern medicine, um, just basically relates to one problem, inflammation.

[00:23:40] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Including

[00:23:40] Hans Richter: cancer.

[00:23:41] Jenny Swisher: Yeah.

[00:23:42] Hans Richter: It’s, it’s all about inflammation. I, you know, I need, we need to do a separate podcast talking about everything else that omega 3 does. So today we’re just talking about inflammation. It’s fascinating.

[00:23:53] Jenny Swisher: . Yeah. I love this. And I actually just, I did a pre call yesterday with another doctor who wants to come on and talk about like mitochondrial health and it was basically almost the exact same conversation of, you know, the root of all disease is inflammation.

[00:24:05] Jenny Swisher: Okay. And. Your particular research and, and deep dive into Omega threes is really like getting to the root of that. And this ratio between the two and helping people better understand that. So for those of you listening, we are going to link up so much for you in the show notes, , including more about his book, more about supplementation testing, all the things.

[00:24:23] Jenny Swisher: So if you’re interested in diving deeper into this, you know, I think about my friends who, um, A couple of friends that pop into my mind, right, who are dealing right now with a breast cancer diagnosis and, and they’re doing all the things right. Like, they’re eliminating toxins in their environment.

[00:24:38] Jenny Swisher: They’re making these simple swaps to eliminate endocrine disruption. , really the journey they’re on, right, is to become. healthier in their eating, healthier in their living. And it just makes me wonder, like, have they done the ultimate test, which is looking at these inflammatory markers to see how they can maybe cater their supplementation in this regard to, to help.

[00:24:58] Jenny Swisher: I want to, there’s a couple of things.

[00:25:00] Hans Richter: Cancer actually ties into The athletic performance omega three. So by the way, you know, so I have a whole sub page on my website, omega three health. us just about athletes, right. And their performance getting sore is. not lactate. That is a big lie. It’s all about omega 3 and inflammation.

[00:25:26] Hans Richter: Lactate does not make you sore. So, um, they, this company I’m working with, Zenzino, they tested a whole soccer team, first league soccer team in Norway. And I told you they’re 10 to one, right? Which is half of This team, because their athletes were 20, two to one. Okay. So athletes burn DHA like there’s no tomorrow.

[00:25:50] Hans Richter: And again, you know, that plays a role into kids too, because they’re very active nowadays, very athletic. So that whole soccer team was twice the country average 22 to one. Okay. After only six months, the entire soccer team, except for three people, , probably didn’t take it, were below four to one. And that team has since won the, uh, Open Cup and has won, um, you know, many other things and basically, uh, stays in the top half of the league.

[00:26:23] Hans Richter: There’s, , especially older athletes, Um, cyclists, uh, artists, brewed breaking world records in their mid forties. So, you know, I’ll make a three is very important for endurance and, uh, it’s all about mitochondrial oxygen, oxygen function. And, um, Cancer takes advantage to cycle back to that off your anaerobic state.

[00:26:53] Hans Richter: So, , when your mitochondria don’t work, cancer loves that, right? It’s called the Vabug effect. Basically, it cycles through the glycolysis and makes lactate over and over to recycle the NAD, which is very inefficient, but cancer doesn’t care because you eat plenty of sugar and carbs. And, um, at the same time, your mitochondria don’t work.

[00:27:15] Hans Richter: So once you turn on your mitochondria and you make real energy, um, the cancer just dies.

[00:27:26] Jenny Swisher: Well, so to kind of, one of the questions that I wanted to ask you earlier, which might be an appropriate time now is for my friends who are dealing with a cancer diagnosis or, uh, you know, these different diseases, chronic diseases that are popping up. The most interesting thing that I’ve seen is that so many, I can actually, right off the top of my head, name five friends who, upon a diagnosis or upon some sort of health change, the first thing that they did was eliminate meats from their diet.

[00:27:57] Jenny Swisher: And I know we weren’t going to, we’re not going to talk

[00:27:59] Hans Richter: Of course, that’s the narrative, right? We’re

[00:28:00] Jenny Swisher: not going to talk vegetarianism. You told me in advance, like We’ve

[00:28:03] Hans Richter: been light toe for 70, 100 years.

[00:28:08] Jenny Swisher: So I want to talk It’s just I want to talk more about something that you said in the beginning, which was when you were talking about wild caught fish, you sort of, it was sort of like a quick, um, sentence that you, you stated something about, you know, lard and grass finished meat.

[00:28:20] Jenny Swisher: Um, I, for those of my, my listeners know that I partnered with a local grass finished beef farm here in Indiana called Ripley Co farms, which I’ll again link up for you guys in the show notes. And I have an interview with the founder and the farmer from that farm. And one thing that he’s doing interestingly is he’s actually studied.

[00:28:38] Jenny Swisher: Under these different professors at Purdue, he’s actually traveled the world, um, to different countries, including the Netherlands to look at sustainable farming methods. And one of the things that he’s doing with his home delivered beef services is he’s doing these nutrient density tests on the beef.

[00:28:55] Jenny Swisher: And so when you get the beef from him, you’re also getting a report of the omega 3 content, the omega 6 content, like everything that they have measured. in both the crops that the cows are eating and also in the cattle themselves. So I wanted to mention that and I want you to touch on just why grass finished meat is such a powerful nutritional component to our diet.

[00:29:16] Hans Richter: So here’s the deal. My, my most, um, beloved question is, uh, how do you define life? And, uh, from a biological perspective, what did we learn in school? It’s all about DNA, DNA, right? No, it’s not. It’s about the cell membrane. You got to keep your cell membrane happy, okay? And basically, we know we owe our lives to plants and harvesting the solar energy, which is done in the chloroplasts.

[00:29:46] Hans Richter: But it gets even more exciting. We owe our lives to one single enzyme, delta 15 desaturase, in algae, in the chloroplasts. which can convert omega 6 to omega 3. That is chemically a very, very difficult process to introduce that last, um, double bond. So three means third position. And, uh, that is, you know, why it is an essential ingredient in our diet.

[00:30:17] Hans Richter: We now call it a nutraceutical, right? So nutrition pharmaceutical. So, , that enzyme delta 15 desaturase works only in algae and only because of the chloroplasts and harvesting the energy UV, you can introduce that double bond. So now the algae have omega 3. And by the way, you know, you know, we can get good algae supplements.

[00:30:46] Hans Richter: There’s a bit of an EPA problem, but ultimately we don’t need to harvest fish. If we figure out the EPA problem, but we are, we’re getting closer to that. So the algae basically is what keeps us alive with that one enzyme, the cows eat it, you know, basically any ruminant eats it. Um, and the fish eat it and, uh, that’s how they have such high levels of omega three.

[00:31:22] Hans Richter: The algae did that for us and the digestive process in the ruminants do that for us. , we couldn’t possibly eat that much algae. We can’t digest it. Um, only ruminants can do that. And then the question is. You know, how stable is that omega 3 in these animals? They’re short lived and, uh, in the fish, it’s the floral tannins that keep it stable.

[00:31:48] Hans Richter: So you need to, you know, let me explain this again. You know why all these supplements are rancid. You need a very, very good antioxidant to keep, uh, omega 3 not from oxidizing. So, um, vitamin E is a terrible, Antioxidant, it has a positive redox potential. And that’s what everybody adds. It basically has no effect.

[00:32:15] Hans Richter: So, um, there are only very few antioxidants that can keep it happy. So when you, when you harvest. The fish, and these are, you know, obviously, uh, wild caught, sustainably, everything’s used from the fish. And, uh, then you, you have to immediately stabilize it. And so what this company that I’m working with, Zenzino, does is they use polyphenols from olive.

[00:32:43] Hans Richter: And, uh, those polyphenols basically are extremely powerful antioxidants. And that’s probably Partly, or to a large part, why the Mediterranean diet is so successful is because of the olive.

[00:32:58] Jenny Swisher: Right.

[00:32:58] Hans Richter: And, um, those polyphenols, you know, you have to imagine they’re giant molecules with many, many multiple antioxidant groups and, um, it works.

[00:33:11] Hans Richter: So, you know, again, we know that from our tests. So when you add vitamin E, It doesn’t work. And vitamin D doesn’t work either. Um, there is an artificial antioxidant, acetyl palmitate, which Southern Company Biotics is using. Uh, it has side effects. I don’t like it. The, um, rosemary ingredient is only a single group.

[00:33:40] Hans Richter: That’s only the other one. That’s somewhat, um, useful, um, to my knowledge. you know, there isn’t really any other good, , antioxidant than polyphenols. So this, you know, proprietary mixture, they basically, what they do is, um, they, they make a 30x concentrate of olives and, um, you can actually buy that concentrate.

[00:34:04] Hans Richter: Um, I use it topically, I use it for everything. It’s an extremely powerful, um, antioxidant for injuries and, um, you know, if I have a scratch, anything, , it’s, it’s crazy stuff. So that’s what they add to the, to the omega 3 right at the moment of, um, processing, right? Why do we need the processing? Well, we know that fish is somewhat toxic now.

[00:34:29] Hans Richter: The larger it gets, the more mercury it has. So, um, all of this is tested. And there’s no, there’s nothing allergenic and it’s all the protein is removed. Right. So, you know, it’s, it makes sense to process the oil, but then you have to stabilize it. , that’s basically how you up your omega three and then you do your best to down your omega six, which is, you know, it’s rocket science.

[00:34:58] Hans Richter: , it’s like I said, it’s in a, in a modern lifestyle, impossible. I mean, you could, you could go and join and. Hunters gatherers tribe in Africa again. Watch the YouTube the other it’s hard life.

[00:35:10] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Well, my question for you, I wanted to ask this. It might be a silly question and I don’t know if you’ll say Norway or not, but because because you said that they average more of like that 10 to one ratio.

[00:35:19] Jenny Swisher: Is there a country in our world who is, is doing like which country in our world that you know of is doing best with this?

[00:35:26] Hans Richter: Well, we have a world map, you can look up all of the tests there, and Japan is the best at 9. 6.

[00:35:33] Jenny Swisher: Okay.

[00:35:33] Hans Richter: I just had a podcast with a South African lady, and she told me that their, you know, their diet is fantastic.

[00:35:42] Hans Richter: You know, they can’t even get to the supermarket, it’s hundreds of miles away, they trade with each other, right? Guess what the average in South Africa is 24 to 1. So, I mean Uh, there is too much processed food, you know, even those people who trade, you know, they go to the market once a month and stock up on processed food.

[00:36:06] Hans Richter: Yeah. What can I tell you? I mean, Asian kitchen, for example, like I told you, I spent three months in Taiwan and, and I, you know, suffered by not taking the supplement because, you know, they cook everything in vegetable oil, everything. Right.

[00:36:21] Jenny Swisher: Right. Right. Well, this is all just, you know, reinforcing this idea of just understanding your unique body, right?

[00:36:29] Jenny Swisher: Understanding your unique deficiencies. I, I feel like I’m a broken record when I share this story because I just shared it recently on the podcast. Well, you

[00:36:36] Hans Richter: can’t be broken enough and people don’t understand it. I know. The average person that comes in here to my office. I would say one out of three takes.

[00:36:48] Hans Richter: fish oils more or less, consistently. And I have a little trick by the way, how you take it consistently. You just keep a shot glass at your dinner table and you do a 50 50 water. I mix it with kombucha, whatever I want. Um, and then you have that shot glass sitting there and that’s where you remind yourself just like brushing your teeth.

[00:37:10] Jenny Swisher: Yeah.

[00:37:10] Hans Richter: What’s the hardest part about taking supplements? I didn’t, I never took supplements. I take Chinese herbs and that’s it. I mean, the bottom line is, um, nobody likes taking supplements. It’s just another thing to remember, right? And it’s so hard. So you have to have a trick and that shot glass works.

[00:37:30] Hans Richter: And then, um, you will see the effects guaranteed.

[00:37:35] Jenny Swisher: Well, and it’s just, yeah, I mean, I, I see this often as a health coach, right? I have 15 years of experience at health coaching people. And it’s, it’s interesting because a lot of times people know what they need to do, but then implementing what they need to do is where they struggle, right?

[00:37:48] Jenny Swisher: It’s, it’s why my SYNC program incorporates implementation coaches to help women. Not only get in tune with the right doctor and the right testing, but also to be able to take those protocols and implement them. And sometimes it really is as easy as, Did you take your supplements? Like, did you move your body?

[00:38:03] Jenny Swisher: Did you, you know, what, what are you doing every day to make that decision to move forward? So this has been great. I, I think this is a good place to sort of wrap this up in a pretty bow. Um, of course, like I mentioned, we will link up as much as we can. Dr. Richter shared. Yeah.

[00:38:17] Hans Richter: Omega3health. us and it explains all of the testing.

[00:38:22] Hans Richter: And, , you know, literally it’s not expensive and, you asked your average doctor and he won’t know what that test is. And, um, you know, that’s what we’re up against. The narrative is very, very strong. And, um, you are not going to train an average customer, patient or whatever you want to call a person, um, into that, you know, new thinking that really is a fix.

[00:38:56] Hans Richter: You’re kidding me. I don’t have to be sick. And, it’s, it’s really, um, some, I mean, people think, you know, I get a label of whatever it is, diabetes, dementia, you name it, and there’s no way out. That’s the end, right? And, uh, there’s no cure. Yeah, that’s the narrative. And, um, it doesn’t have to be like that.

[00:39:17] Hans Richter: Test yourself. And, uh, you know, it’s not, you know, you mentioned magnesium earlier. So the triangle of vitamin D, magnesium, and omega 3, they feed each other. You can’t absorb magnesium without vitamin D. You can’t absorb D without magnesium. And omega 3 basically helps you absorb anything in your digestive tract.

[00:39:39] Hans Richter: That’s the first thing that gets fixed. So, you know, there’s a few more things that. You should take, but, um, you know, it’s actually not that hard, right? It’s really not that hard.

[00:39:52] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. And it’s, it’s interesting because I always tell the women that listen to me, you know, I say vitamin D, magnesium, Omega threes, these are all things that we can benefit from.

[00:40:01] Jenny Swisher: And then beyond that, you know, there are things that we need to dive deeper into our bio individuality. I just recently, I don’t want to go into the full story because I’ll be sharing this more on my next podcast with the medic, the mitochondrial health doctor. Um, but we were. Chatting about this idea that like I recently because of a creep up in my migraines in the last year or so, um, I started investigating just more of my genetics.

[00:40:25] Jenny Swisher: I did a three by four genetics tests I’ve done, um, organic acids testing and Omega testing. And just looking at my different gene. mutations and everything makes sense. Like so much that I’ve struggled with for really close 20 years. I wish I had had this information sooner because it’s like, I mean,

[00:40:44] Hans Richter: I wish I had this information myself.

[00:40:47] Hans Richter: Yeah.

[00:40:48] Jenny Swisher: Yes. It’s like, I spent so much money on B vitamins that were not methylated and

[00:40:52] Hans Richter: my

[00:40:52] Jenny Swisher: body couldn’t process them and folic acid was damaging to me. So it’s all these things that you’re like, why are we not? Not, not only teaching root cause medicine, but also this helping people understand their unique bodies and their unique deficiencies.

[00:41:04] Jenny Swisher: And to come back to that story I was just about to share, like, you know, 15 years ago, this concept was first brought up to me by a registered dietitian who asked a room full of people, does anybody know the number one nutrient that we need? And hands shot up and people started taking guesses. And after everybody guessed, he said, the number one nutrient that you need is the number one nutrient that you need.

[00:41:27] Jenny Swisher: And you need, and you, and he brought up this idea of like health being so individual. And so while today we’ve talked a lot about omegas, uh, we know that omegas, magnesium, vitamin D, these are all things that humankind can benefit from because when we look at exactly what you’re saying, right? Like no one in this world is crushing it with their ratios, basically.

[00:41:45] Jenny Swisher: And, um, and with magnesium, right? Our soils are so depleted that we’re not getting in on our diet. It drives me crazy when people say like, well, I shouldn’t have to supplement. I do everything through food. And I’m like, okay, well, good luck because the, where the food is being grown is not nutrient dense as it used to be.

[00:42:00] Jenny Swisher: And so, um, we, there are some things that are just, everyone should be doing. And then there are also deeper dives for you, you know, for your individuality. So I think we’ve covered the Omega three. Topic at least well enough for this episode of the podcast today. So I will link everything up for you guys in the show notes, how to find Dr.

[00:42:15] Jenny Swisher: Richter, his website, his book. Um, if you guys have any questions, of course you can reach out to us, but thank you so much for just, for taking some time today to share your expertise. This is a topic that we haven’t done a deep dive on, on the podcast, almost 300 episodes in. So it was time we do given that inflammation is the root of all disease.

[00:42:33] Jenny Swisher: So thank you so much for being here, Dr. Richter. I appreciate it.

[00:42:36] Hans Richter: Thank you again for inviting me and hope to see you again soon.

[00:42:40] Jenny Swisher: Sounds great. All right, guys, we’ll talk soon. Until next time. Bye bye.