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[00:00:00] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the sync your life podcast today. I’m being joined by my friend, Carly Kelly. Now, Carly and I recently connected. We have a lot in common, it seems, but we recently connected through our, our journeys that landed us at human grace, which I’m sure we’ll touch on, but I’ve just loved getting to know her.

[00:01:15] Jenny Swisher: She, she has certified through the integrative Institute for nutrition. She’s also a mindset coach, a health coach. But what really connected us was ultimately this, this through line message of really advocating for yourself and your health. And that’s what we’re going to talk about today. She’s a mama, right?

[00:01:29] Jenny Swisher: And she’s going to talk to us today about some, some ways that she’s advocated for her children as well. And I’ll be sharing more of my journey with that too. This is something that people ask me sort of behind the scenes, right? Like a lot of people will come to me and say. Hey, I’ve, I’ve heard you mention things about your daughter and her, her lip tie.

[00:01:44] Jenny Swisher: Like what, what do you know about this? Right. And I guess you could say, I guess I’ve entered the woo woo space of health and wellness because, um, as I like to say here, I’m not opposed to modern medicine, but I’m also a huge fan of alternative medicine too. And I know Carly has similar, similar journeys.

[00:01:58] Jenny Swisher: So we’re going to dive into just a lot of stories today. We’re going to tell stories. We’re going to get to know Carly. You guys are going to love her. I was just thinking about you last night. I was thinking about this interview and I thought, how do I want to introduce her? And I thought, Just right away when I met you and connected with you on social media, like you felt like my best friend within five minutes of meeting you.

[00:02:15] Jenny Swisher: And I have a feeling that a lot of people feel that way around you. You just have a, a natural, just warmth and sense of humor and just something that’s just so inviting. So I wouldn’t just welcome you to the show. Um, if you would just tell my listeners who you are, sort of what you are on a day to day basis.

[00:02:30] Jenny Swisher: And, uh, we’ll go from there.

[00:02:32] Karly Kelly: Yeah, I am so excited to be here. I love that we’re you’re approaching this as like a candid conversation because I think collectively we can all learn together. And that’s a little bit of how my journey also started. But like you said, I am a mom of 2 and my son is 4 and a half.

[00:02:49] Karly Kelly: My daughter is 2 years old. So we are busy over here. And, uh, my journey literally started with IVF. We had to go through IVF to conceive both of my kids. And I like to say my journey started with a tampon, because when we were in the fertility clinic, uh, it was a revolving door of couples and women, and it really stood out to me.

[00:03:10] Karly Kelly: And I was like, why are there so many people in here? Like, what is going on? Um, and you never, I never expected to start our family in a fertility clinic. So it was very emotional. And then you see this revolving door of people and it just started to really spark curiosity for me and asking questions and really just I was trying to understand, like why we were all going through something like that.

[00:03:33] Karly Kelly: So when I got home from that first appointment, I actually looked in my tampons and I saw that there was bleach in them, and that kind of started this whole journey of self advocacy, asking questions, um, just being curious, because I think that we can get a lot of answers when we approach things with that curiosity mindset too, instead of, like you said, modern medicine and functional.

[00:03:55] Karly Kelly: Um, approach can blend great, but it’s also getting to, you know, the root cause of things and really figuring out, like, what are we doing here? Why are we here? And that’s what really started my journey. So happy to share and answer any questions you have for me and hopefully, um, can help someone else out there on their journey.

[00:04:12] Karly Kelly: For sure. So

[00:04:13] Jenny Swisher: bleach in your tampons, you know, I, yes, I’ve heard, you know, tell this story so many times we all have, we all have little pieces of our story that stand out. But so for you, did, did you have a doctor actually ask you like what products you were using? Never once. No. And it. Yeah. I wonder what, like why?

[00:04:30] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. So you just found that as a common denominator for you?

[00:04:33] Karly Kelly: Well, I just, I was really intrigued by how many people every, it didn’t matter if I went in for blood work. It didn’t matter if we went in for a consult. It was like, there were so many people and there was always so many people in the waiting room.

[00:04:44] Karly Kelly: It wasn’t like you walked in and you just saw one couple. And, you know, it felt like there was like a lot of shame and embarrassment in the waiting room. Like a lot of people had their heads down. I don’t know. It just really sparked something in my soul. And I was like, why is this? And I don’t really know what it made me look in my doctor had said something.

[00:05:03] Karly Kelly: And I just looked at him and I was like, okay, wow, this is a very eye opening starting place. And I’m going to go down. This rabbit hole and see see what’s there. So, but it it also set the tone and the trajectory for me as a mom. So I’m really thankful for that experience and that curiosity and me asking questions because it did give me the foundational knowledge and approach to advocate more and ask more questions when I did have my kids too.

[00:05:32] Karly Kelly: So. Yeah,

[00:05:34] Jenny Swisher: no, I, I think that we all have like sort of a tipping point, you know, like, I mean, I always like to say I saw 14 different neurologists and spinal specialists and I did Botox for migraine. I had neck surgeries. I mean, when people ask me, have you tried? I’m like, yep, I bet you have tried it. Um, but.

[00:05:49] Jenny Swisher: It wasn’t until I finally just, I almost was at like a giving up point for myself. Like I was like, no one knows, like I’ve seen all these specialists and no one knows. And it took me a minute to kind of have the aha moment that like, maybe I didn’t need a specialist that was looking at my head. Maybe I needed somebody who was going to look at my whole body.

[00:06:04] Jenny Swisher: And it sounds ridiculous to say out loud now, but I didn’t know what functional medicine was. I didn’t know that there was another way. You know, I just kept getting directed to neurologist after neurologist after neurologist. So, um, tell us a little bit more. So your kids were conceived through IBF. So you continued down that path.

[00:06:19] Karly Kelly: Yes, yeah, we, we actually went to 3 different fertility clinics and, um. We were successful at our first IVF attempt and had my son. And then, so our fertility issues stemmed from my husband’s sperm. They, he didn’t have a lot of them and he didn’t swim. They were, they were lazy, lazy ones. So we did in, when we did switch some products and switched his vitamins to more bioavailable, higher quality, we did get a drastic increase in his count and things like that, but because of our age and where we were, we just felt like IVF was the best.

[00:06:54] Karly Kelly: route. And, um, then we had my daughter and she’s now just turned two. So, uh, we still have two embryos left, which that’s a whole nother podcast because no one talks about this side of IVF. And, uh, it’s kind of been a really tough mental battle on what to do, where to go, how to process this side of it. So I don’t, I’m happy to talk

[00:07:16] Jenny Swisher: about that another time.

[00:07:18] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, no, I think it’s so interesting because So we went through infertility as well. We, we’d ever got to the point of IVF, but we did like ovidrill injections. So we both had issues. I had endometriosis, I had laparoscopic surgery, and then my husband had varicoceles. He had varicocele surgeries, um, through the whole thing.

[00:07:34] Jenny Swisher: Like looking back on it, I think it was probably about eight months that we were fully invested with the fertility doctor. Um, no one wants mentioned any sort of like natural supplementation that could help with, with anything. No, I mean, there was no discussion of like, Root cause. I mean, I have been suffering from painful periods since my periods began.

[00:07:53] Jenny Swisher: This was the first moment that anybody ever said the word endometriosis to me. Like I had seen multiple OBGYNs. I had seen how, you know, who knows how many other doctors and nobody had ever said that. And by the way, I just want to mention to people listening, it takes the average woman five to six doctors before she’ll get a PCOS or endometriosis diagnosis.

[00:08:10] Jenny Swisher: So it’s just, it’s crazy to me, this world that we’re in, and I feel like I’m constantly telling women that like, you’re not crazy, whether you’re dealing with perimenopause or infertility or whatever, like, we are literally in, or almost like this era where doctors just don’t know. And instead of admitting that they don’t know, or opening you up to other avenues like natural medicine, or like, Herbals or whatever the case is, they would rather just tell you like, okay, well, you, you need to go this approach, the science approach, which is great.

[00:08:39] Jenny Swisher: And it obviously it’s, it’s helped you with your children and it’s helped so many people, but it just kills me that there’s no conversation about any of this. So at the time I was starting to see a functional medicine doctor for my migraines, and we were kind of in the middle of that and you know, that journey, and I was improving there.

[00:08:54] Jenny Swisher: And so I just asked her, I’m like, is there anything that like my husband should be doing right? Well, he had lower testosterone. And so she’s like, well, we can get him on some testosterone support. We can get him on some natural like DHEA. So he needs to be on vitamin C. He should, you know, she starts giving me all these different like.

[00:09:09] Jenny Swisher: Supplements that he should be taking. And I’m like, why is no one mentioned this? Like, why did first of all, why did I have to ask? Like, they’re very quick to do a pelvic ultrasound and see if I have, you know, if I’m ovulating, but they’re not, they’re not looking at the whole picture here. But, and I also just want to say this, I’ve said this on the podcast before, but because we’re talking about it.

[00:09:27] Jenny Swisher: I went through laparoscopic surgery. I think it was about four and a half months of the, the monthly Ovidril injections, looking to see if I’m ovulating, timed sex, hell. And then they were like, we should check your husband out. They did not check him for anything until four and a half months in. And I asked about it.

[00:09:46] Jenny Swisher: I asked our OBGYN. I was like, should we be checking sperm counts? Should we be checking anything here? So the whole thing is so backwards. And, um, and I just, my heart goes out to anybody listening who might be on an infertility journey, because. It is hard. It’s emotionally hard, but then when you factor in this sort of, I’ll say like lack of knowledge or just this doctors are trained in one track, like a one track approach, you have to know how to advocate for yourself.

[00:10:11] Jenny Swisher: You have to know what questions to ask, because I mean, to be honest with you, I didn’t even know. I mean, I wasn’t even tracking ovulation going into the appointments. Like, we could have started very basic. Yeah. Do you have cervical mucus? Are you ovulating? But instead they go right to like injections and surgeries and all the things.

[00:10:30] Jenny Swisher: And so I just, you know, that’s part of the reason why I co, I co created that fertility course. Cause I wanted women to understand their bodies so that they know what they’re asking for in those appointments. So, and

[00:10:40] Karly Kelly: you know, it’s, you just reminded me of something pivotal for me too. We only tried for a month before we went to the fertility clinic.

[00:10:47] Karly Kelly: And that’s where my application started for myself because everyone said, Oh, you have to wait a year, at least six months until you’re seen. And I just. My, my intuition, I mean, my husband and I, we’ve been together 14 years. We never had an oopsie daisy or praise God. I was not on the pill. Um, aside from like certain times during the, our fertility journey, but I was never someone who was on that, you know, for years at a time, I just had this gut feeling.

[00:11:13] Karly Kelly: I was like, and. I was like, no one can tell me no to go get checked out. You know, it’s my own body. It’s my own right to go get basic labs or to go, you know, see if the foundation of my body is, is operating. Right. So that’s another huge point that I think people here, they have to wait six months or they have to wait a year or they have to try, or they have to do all of these things, but you.

[00:11:36] Karly Kelly: It’s, we pay the medical community to, you know what I mean, to provide us with answers for ourselves. So if anyone’s out there listening and they’re feeling like how I was feeling, it’s your right to be able to go and get checked out too. So you just reminded me of that when you said all of that as well.

[00:11:52] Karly Kelly: Yeah. I mean, we,

[00:11:53] Jenny Swisher: we had to ask my OBGYN, you know, we’re like, we pulled the goalie, you know, at this, I think it was six or seven years prior to anything for like, nothing’s happened. Like should we investigate this? And she actually told us no. She’s like, Oh, you have regular cycles. Like. Normal paps, everything’s clear.

[00:12:07] Jenny Swisher: Like basically try a little harder, you know? And so we had to ask, like, can we, can we get the name of someone locally that we could see? Um, so it’s just, the whole thing is like, it could be a book. I’m sure you could write a book on it too. It’s just, it’s crazy. So I want to, you said, that’s kind of what started your whole self advocacy journey, right?

[00:12:24] Jenny Swisher: Because then when you have your kids, like mama bear comes out and you’re like, now, wait a minute, you know, you’ve had this experience with yourself. And so you want to turn around and then advocate for your children. I’d love to hear. And I want to share a little bit of our story, too, but I want you to share with us just what you’ve experienced with your kids and what you’re advocating for with them as well.

[00:12:42] Karly Kelly: Yeah, and all of this actually started with, um, pregnancy as well and birth and making decisions that I felt like I had informed consent to do, whether it was, Um, you know, vaginal checks before delivery, just things that I had learned about that I could say yes or no to, or maybe we can wait for something like that.

[00:13:01] Karly Kelly: Or when it came to vaccinations during pregnancy, I just wanted to be able to make an informed, you know, decision for myself that felt right for me with all of the information present. So it did start there. And then when my, my son, he was. An identical twin and we lost one of his twins. So my placenta was very, very small and nobody caught that.

[00:13:23] Karly Kelly: And we were at MFM maternal fetal medicine, um, all the way up until basically I delivered. So nobody caught that. He was a little five pound little guy. I was so tiny and, um, We did a lot of P. T. O. T. Just things that because of how my journey started and because I learned to ask questions and be curious and ask other moms and ask other people and get a second opinion or a third opinion, I was able to found lay some of the foundational work for my son.

[00:13:51] Karly Kelly: You know, I learned that baby kept torticollis and they’re usually in the womb in their position one way so they could be tight on one side. He was a mhm. nurser, so we had lactation here. I mean, I thought it was a whole to do a whole show his whole first year, but it also, I was not accepting the basic answers though.

[00:14:11] Karly Kelly: He’ll grow out of it. He’s fine. He ended up having a lip and tongue tie. You know, I had to look at that. So he got that released when he was one month old. And I didn’t understand anything about lip and tongue ties and high palates. And so then I dove into that information, and it gave me the foundation to where he is now.

[00:14:31] Karly Kelly: He was, gosh, when he was two and a half, and he had had two surgeries prior to this as well, so we went down that road. Those surgeries were not ones that I could say yes or no to. He had two hydrosils, and so we had to get them done. Fix, but I learned a lot through that. I learned how to ask questions, finding different, going to two different, um, surgeons, having a different approach, seeing if I could find any additional things in that realm.

[00:14:56] Karly Kelly: We couldn’t, but then when we got to, he would toss and turn in his bed all night long. And I knew And my mama gut, it was not right. And at school, uh, he goes to like a little three hour school. They were, they said sensory processing. Again, my mama gut said it’s sleep. There’s some, he should not be tossing and turning.

[00:15:15] Karly Kelly: He should not be mouth breathing. I didn’t even know mouth breathing was a thing. I think all kids should, should be checked out when they’re born by an OT. Make sure they’re not tight. Just foundationally look at their whole system root cause approach. Cause I think a lot of moms don’t understand. You know, like I said, the tightness or the nursing issues or anything that can be involved in that.

[00:15:34] Karly Kelly: But we, we see a mom once postpartum, that’s a whole nother topic too. So I’m very passionate about this because I think we can find alternative answers that make us feel good in our decisions as we advocate for our kids. So through this whole approach with Declan, he Ended up mouth breathing. And the first ENT we went to, it was like surgery, he needs his adenoids removed.

[00:15:59] Karly Kelly: And my first question was like, okay, what causes enlarged adenoids? Before we talk about surgery, let’s look at what, what are the root causes here? And so it was, um, allergies. Cause it can cause inflammation and cause them to be inflamed or structural. Great. Let’s check off those two boxes. So we ended up doing that and he had a very high palate.

[00:16:19] Karly Kelly: The top of a child’s mouth should be, I think it’s 14 millimeters bigger than his bottom. His bottom was 14 millimeters bigger than his top. So we did an expander approach that opened up his airway. But, even though it didn’t fix everything, it still was, Answers to questions that we’re not going to have to worry about down the road when it comes to braces and his teeth coming in and all of this stuff.

[00:16:46] Karly Kelly: But had I not asked questions, um, and got a 2nd opinion in the 3rd opinion, we went all the way to Greensboro 2 hours away to see an E. and T. who does more of a functional. He’s an M. D. But he looks for the root cause. He takes a whole approach to everything. So like you’re saying, they can blend the two instead of just rushing to surgery.

[00:17:06] Karly Kelly: It’s like, okay, well, if we take them out now, what else is going to get inflamed if it was an allergy? So I know that was a long winded answer, but those are a few of the little things that yeah, the beginning of my story that led me to kind of some of the things that we’re going through now.

[00:17:21] Jenny Swisher: Yeah,

[00:17:22] Karly Kelly: so good.

[00:17:22] Karly Kelly: Okay. So

[00:17:23] Jenny Swisher: I’ve shared pieces like small pieces on the podcast of what we’ve experienced, but it’s so, so similar to you. And I think I had seen something in your stories. This might even be how we initially started chatting. I think I had seen you sharing some stuff about like the lip and tongue tie situation.

[00:17:38] Jenny Swisher: And like I said, I get a lot of messages in my inbox because of just the little clues that I’ve left on the podcast. I get women who are like, Hey, you know, I think my, my son or daughter is struggling with this. I’ve heard you say this. Can you help me? Right. And I’m always so eager to share what I learned because it was a struggle with us, uh, for us.

[00:17:55] Jenny Swisher: So both of my girls are adopted. I’ll give you the sort of 32nd version of this. Um, both of my girls were adopted my oldest We were in the room for her delivery and within minutes of her delivery, she sucked down almost an entire infant formula bottle, had no problem, latched perfectly fine. I won’t even go into the conversation with this podcast about infant formulas.

[00:18:17] Jenny Swisher: That’s a whole other topic, but we had a lot of lack of control for that first week with her. Um, so anyway, that’s, you know, we went on to just that. She is that child. She was a great eater. She’s always been like 97th percentile, et cetera. Um. Then my youngest was born four years later. And when she was born, like right away, we were like, okay, this is not at all like Ellery’s experience.

[00:18:40] Jenny Swisher: Like she was a lot smaller at birth. Um, she wasn’t considered failure to thrive, but pretty close. She was, she was barely six pounds. Um, birth mom had only gained like 13 pounds with the pregnancy. So it wasn’t taking prenatal vitamins, all that kind of stuff. And so. Not only that, but Sutton, we also learned later had been in a car accident and utero.

[00:18:59] Jenny Swisher: So birth mom had been in a car accident, so there had been some trauma there. Just a totally different experience than, than my oldest, right? And so we come home from the hospital, which by the way, when you’re dealing with an adoption, they don’t set you up with any form of lactation consultant because you’re not breastfeeding.

[00:19:15] Jenny Swisher: I believe every infant should have a lactation consultant appointment. Um, the, the stuff that they do make you do in the hospital is absolutely crazy. And then the things that you don’t do make no sense. So we came home and for her first month or so, Chris and I thought we were going to go insane. Like we were having to feed her while bouncing on a ball with her in a carrier in front of the shower, with the shower running and a noise machine.

[00:19:40] Jenny Swisher: I mean, the fan in the bathroom, like we were like. Trying all these different noise techniques and motion techniques and everything to get her to latch on the bottle and she couldn’t. So finally, so by the way, you know, you see your pediatrician, right? So I, we went into the pediatrician for those after birth checkups, you know, one week and whatever it is one week and one month or whatever.

[00:19:59] Jenny Swisher: And both times we went in there, we’re like, something’s not right. Like this child is not latching correctly. She never once looked at her mouth. She just literally was like, Oh, you know, she’ll outgrow it. You know, it’ll be fine. And we were like, okay. So we just kept doing the thing, right? Like losing sleep, bouncing on the ball.

[00:20:17] Jenny Swisher: And finally, um, I said to Chris, I’m like, you know, there’ve just been some other things that I just haven’t seen eye to eye with this pediatrician about, including infant formula, including some other questions that I had. And if it wasn’t approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics, she was going to shut it down.

[00:20:30] Jenny Swisher: And so I started to just sort of see through all of it. And I was like, I just, I don’t know, like I’ve just learned enough in my migraine journey that like, we’re going to go another route and just see what they say. So I took her to a pediatric chiropractor and the pediatric chiropractor, we walked in the door and within three minutes.

[00:20:46] Jenny Swisher: The doctor was like, she has a severe lip and tongue tie. She’s like, I’m talking like she’s leashed. Like her tongue is leashed in her mouth. Well, looking back, it all made sense. We had done newborn photos. All the newborn photos were Sutton screaming. And you could see like her tongue, like leashed in her mouth.

[00:21:01] Jenny Swisher: I’m like, why didn’t I see this? Like, why didn’t I know this? I never had a lactation consultant. I never knew this was a thing. Right. And so. I remember leaving that chiropractor being like, Oh my gosh, we have an answer. Like this makes sense. She gave us the name of somebody who would do laser surgery. She gave us the name of people for body work for MFR therapy for all that stuff.

[00:21:18] Jenny Swisher: And that was just the beginning of our journey. But I remember going back to the pediatrician and saying, okay, like we finally have an answer. She has a lip and tongue tie. And the pediatrician was like, I’m sorry, honey, but that’s woo woo science. And that’s not real. So she said, I highly recommend that you not go down the avenue of having it severed.

[00:21:35] Jenny Swisher: Okay. She starts to basically tell us that everything we were experiencing was wrong. Um, at the same appointment, I happened to bring up vaccinations, which was probably not the right timing on my part, but I just said. I’m not comfortable with the current schedule. Um, we had experienced some things with my oldest.

[00:21:54] Jenny Swisher: She’s she was fully vaccinated through age four and we ended up in a local hospital twice because she went into febrile seizures the night after vaccinations. And every time that happened, we were told, Oh, it’s not related to the vaccines. Like she just must be dealing with a virus. And so I didn’t know what I didn’t know.

[00:22:10] Jenny Swisher: At the time, but as I started to learn it, which again could be a whole episode in itself. I had a health coach on my team whose son was vaccine injured and autistic. And she started to really teach us about things having to do with this world that I didn’t know. And. Once you learn things, you can’t unlearn them.

[00:22:27] Jenny Swisher: And so with Sutton, we knew that her, she had an older sibling that was a vaccine injured. And we were like, really freaked us out. We’re like, we maybe need to look into this more. So all I was asking the pediatrician was, can we just wait? Like, I’m doing a little bit of research. Can we either space them out?

[00:22:42] Jenny Swisher: Can we wait? Like, can I have a little bit of time? And that afternoon she called me herself to fire me as a patient. She told me that their office would not see our family. There was not another doctor that would see us. Because I asked the question. Like, it wasn’t, at that point, it wasn’t even a decision.

[00:22:58] Jenny Swisher: It was a question. And so I share this, I’ve never shared that fully before, but that was for me a very eye opening experience. That, of course, then we had to, like, we told our parents about it and our parents didn’t understand, you know, because they’re like, well, why wouldn’t you just vaccinate your child?

[00:23:13] Jenny Swisher: And we’re like, because now kids receive like 60 vaccines. When we were kids, we received like eight vaccines. Like, it’s a totally different thing. And so I’m not going to go down that rabbit hole, probably lose some followers on this. That’s fine. But I just, I couldn’t do, I couldn’t do something to my child when I wasn’t totally sure what it even was.

[00:23:28] Jenny Swisher: And I wanted to do the research. Right. And so all that to say, we went on to do twice weekly MFR appointments, chiropractic weekly. She had the, the, the tongue and lip tie, uh, lasered. She started eating immediately that day, as soon as it was done. And she started latching onto the bottle. She moved from almost failure to thrive to 87th percentile by her six month appointment.

[00:23:50] Jenny Swisher: Uh, we’ve started, we moved our whole family over to my functional wellness doctor as our primary care doctor, and we’ve never looked back, right? But it has, it started this journey of just being like, now wait a minute, like, I’m now going to question everything, and I don’t want to be that girl that’s like the hippie dippie, uh, person, but at the same point, like, I just don’t think, I really think that the medicine in our era is just like, it lives in these different spaces, like Chinese medicines over here and, and modern medicines over here.

[00:24:17] Jenny Swisher: And it’s like, nobody wants to communicate and see where can we come together. And so it’s up to us at the center of that to be the ones to say, Hey, I just have some questions and it’s okay for me to ask these questions. So anyways,

[00:24:30] Karly Kelly: yeah. And I think going back to like, even what you said about your followers losing some of them, I think there’s I think it’s just informed consent and people to be heard and understood and, um, it’s not, you know, anti one way or anti, it’s like breaking the big picture, looking at all of your options and then making the best informed decision for your child because my son, I asked him to, I asked our pediatrician to test him for the MTHFR gene, which I have.

[00:24:57] Karly Kelly: And so we did. And we made the informed decision like you with the information that we had available and, um, to make the best decision for our family. And I think that that’s what people need and that’s what they crave. But we’re getting these 10 minute in and out appointments and we’re not left with all of the information.

[00:25:14] Karly Kelly: And then you do ask the question, I have women who reach out to me all the time. They’re kicked out of their jobs. their pediatrician office just for asking questions or maybe wanting to delay or spread out. And it’s not that they don’t want to do it or they do or whatever. It’s just they want to be heard and they want to understood both sides of You know, yeah.

[00:25:37] Karly Kelly: So,

[00:25:37] Jenny Swisher: yeah. And so it’s so funny because I had actually carried a, um, I guess it was like a little container carton of this goat milk formula that was from Europe of infant formula. I had carried it to the office at the previous appointment. So I think I was kind of already on her. Um, and I just said, like, listen, I’m a nutritionist and like, I can’t get past the high fructose corn syrup.

[00:26:00] Jenny Swisher: That’s at the front of the label for every American infant formula. And so I can, you know, I can, I can get this. And it’s much healthier for her. Like, is this an option for us? You know, and she was like, that is not from our country. It is not. It’s not approved the American Academy. So I tried to explain to her, like, no, actually, Europe has stricter regulations on things like this.

[00:26:21] Jenny Swisher: She didn’t want to hear it. And so that was my first clue, right? That, that, and just not getting any, I just, I just wanted, like, she probably easily could have persuaded me the other direction in that moment, to be honest with you when it came to the vaccinations, but for her to net, to just shut it down because I had the question that was the red flag for me.

[00:26:38] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Why is, why is she shutting this down? I’m just asking the question. So I do want to share too, though, that. When we, when we switched over to our functional doctor, um, so our doctor that we see is an MD, but she specializes in sort of a functional root cause approach first, but she’s still kind of more integrative, right?

[00:26:55] Jenny Swisher: Like she’ll use modern medicine. She prescribes my migraine medication, you know, but she’s also into hormone health and all that kind of stuff. So we took Sutton in to see her, and I think at this point it was probably around the three or four month mark. And, um, And she had a resident like understudy that was like following her around for the day.

[00:27:13] Jenny Swisher: And at that time, this was during COVID. So Sutton was born during COVID. So this was the time where we’re all double masked, you know, the doctor’s in like the full PPE. It’s very scary, you know, for the kid. So we go in there and they also had like a, what do they call it? Like a scribe that was like listening in to the appointment that was taking the notes, right?

[00:27:30] Jenny Swisher: Cause probably cause she had so much PPE on, she couldn’t take notes. So anyway, so. At one point, I just asked the question, I, she said, what would you like to do about vaccinations today? And I said, um, I’d like to ask your opinion. I said, I, I, and I told her this, the history, I said, you know, I kind of got fired from our pediatrician, but like, I just have some questions based on Sutton’s history.

[00:27:50] Jenny Swisher: We do know that she’s in THFR, we had that testing done. So I want to make the right decision because I don’t, I think I would have changed things if I could go back for Ellery. And she pulled down her masks, took off the PPE, you know, raised the PPE. She asked the scribe to pause. The note taking and she looked at the resident and then looked back at me and said, well, I’ll tell you this.

[00:28:11] Jenny Swisher: She said, my daughter is pregnant and she’s due this summer. And she said, and I have told she and her husband that I believe they should wait on vaccinations until age three or four. She said, and then we can space things out. We can have that conversation then. And then she put her mask back up. She kind of like patted the resident on the back.

[00:28:29] Jenny Swisher: She started the scribe back up and we continued the conversation. And so I didn’t necessarily need somebody to tell me to go one way or the other, but for her to say that, like, basically that was her just saying, well, I’ll tell you what I’m telling my own kids. And I, and I trusted her opinion in that, in that situation.

[00:28:45] Jenny Swisher: And of course now Sutton’s four and we’re re approaching the conversation of like, what, what do we want to do here? Right. So I just appreciate when a doctor, first of all, doesn’t act like they know everything. And when they can actually like. See where you are and, you know, understand where, what you’re living in, whether that’s through the fertility situation, right?

[00:29:04] Jenny Swisher: Or whether that’s through advocating for your children. Now, the lip and tongue tie, I do want to talk to you about, cause you mentioned, you know, this has obviously been a theme and I know I’m going to get questions about it. Um, I do have a podcast that I’ll link up for you guys on oral health as root cause medicine.

[00:29:17] Jenny Swisher: It was an interview that I did with Dr. Michelle Jorgensen. That will blow your mind when it comes to everything Carly just mentioned about widening the mouth, airway, all that stuff. So here’s what’s funny is you just had your lip and tongue done. So I had it. Yeah. I had

[00:29:32] Karly Kelly: my tongue done. Yes. Tell us, tell us what’s going on there.

[00:29:35] Karly Kelly: Okay. So, well, you, my son, you couldn’t do my functional therapy until kids are four. So we did the expander. He turned four in February. We got the expander out in March or April, and then we started myotherapy. And when I was in there, I was like, wait a minute. I think I need myotherapy. And, um, she did an assessment on me and she was like, you have a severe tongue tie.

[00:29:59] Karly Kelly: And because I was doing some mouth breathing, my aura ring was showing that I was waking up and you helped me with that with some of my REM sleep. And, um, again, it was, it was getting to like the root cause of what was going on and kind of taking a whole body approach instead of just focusing on, you know, one thing.

[00:30:18] Karly Kelly: And so anyways, yeah, I got it done. It was a, it was, A easy procedure. Um, and it’s, it is crazy. How restricted you can be and not even realize it. It can like pull your jaw back. It’s just so many different things. I feel like there’s a lot of kids getting diagnosed with ADHD, behavioral stuff, so many different things and it’s like, why aren’t we looking at mouth breathing?

[00:30:44] Karly Kelly: There is so, I mean it connects to the gut, it can, there’s so many things and then they’re not getting to rest and digest and then we’re slapping medicine on them. And really, we haven’t even looked at the whole body approach. We’ve just said, you know, we haven’t taken out guys. I mean, I could do a whole podcast on this.

[00:30:59] Karly Kelly: I know. I know we haven’t even touched on that because it’s like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Why are we taking out a body part? Why are we doing this? Let’s, let’s just, and to be completely honest, after a year and a half, we ended up taking out his adenoids cause they’d never went down, but we did so much before then that made me, and I got.

[00:31:19] Karly Kelly: I got a lot of heat for that, for sharing that part of the journey from like the more very holistic approach. But I’m just sharing my journey with you guys openly and honestly, because we, I got to the point where I was like, what is the best for my son? And it was sleep because foundationally at his age, they need that sound sleep and he wasn’t getting it.

[00:31:37] Karly Kelly: So, um, but with my tongue tie release, I’ve seen a lot of improvement. I actually have a, a palette that they made me. Um, For my teeth. So I don’t grind at night. That’s another thing. I was grinding and I ended up, um, slipping like a disc in my jaw. And here I am just thinking I’m grinding as normal. My, my dentist was like, I had these big mounds in the bottom of my mouth and that’s from grinding, but no one ever, no dentist ever said, well, let’s figure out why you’re grinding.

[00:32:03] Karly Kelly: Let’s figure out what’s going on. And it’s like your mouth subconsciously in your body trying to realign or get in a position for your airway to be open. No one explained any of this to me. Um, even just with my son approaching things like he’s had two ear infections. We went to the chiropractor first, used red light therapy.

[00:32:22] Karly Kelly: They went away on their own. Had I not gone through this whole journey, I would, it would have been antibiotics for both. And I’m not saying there’s not a time or a place for, for that, but I think when we can blend the holistic, Medicine and Western medicine and kind of like take this. Let’s look at the whole body.

[00:32:39] Karly Kelly: Let’s just figure out what’s going on. There’s so much more healing there. And then there’s so much more feeling heard. And I’ll share one story since you touched on the vaccines really quick when. Hi, my daughter. Gosh, that was a rough postpartum. A lot of things that you were saying about your feeding and bouncing and vacuums.

[00:32:55] Karly Kelly: That was like our life too. But what I learned from her, I learned about F pies from doing this research on she had a milk protein allergy. So I had to cut out dairy and I saw F pies again would never have known of this. Had I not done my research and ask. Well, anyways, when we introduced eggs to her, yeah, She had a full blown FI experience.

[00:33:13] Karly Kelly: We flew to the ER like it was, I thought she was, it was, thought she was gonna die in the back of the car. It was very traumatizing. Got to the ER and the resident doctor kept trying to tell me she had meningitis and I was killing her ’cause I hadn’t vaccinated her, but we were trying to heal her gut.

[00:33:31] Karly Kelly: And not put a bunch of stuff in her, you know, while we were trying to heal. So again, it goes back to that delayed approach till her immune system, you know, and her gut was, like, there were so many foundational things that we needed to address before just going straight to vaccines. And I, and this is the part about advocating too.

[00:33:49] Karly Kelly: I was very kind and I was very polite to the head nurse who kept coming in to check on us. And I said, this one doctor is not making me feel seen or heard. She keeps coming. My daughter doesn’t have a fever. There’s nothing that indicates meningitis. We, it’s classic F pies. Um, so I think too, it’s all right to, to speak out and ask questions in a kind, you know, manner instead of feeling bullied.

[00:34:13] Karly Kelly: Do you know what I mean? Like that, that also showed me a whole nother side to things. And I was like, no, but because of my foundation, I can just see how other moms and women feel backed into a corner to make certain decisions, especially when you might have a sick child or something’s going on and you’re not, you know, in your right mind.

[00:34:33] Karly Kelly: You want to trust someone. Yeah. You

[00:34:36] Jenny Swisher: want You know, so two things I want to say, one is, um, when you’re talking about the mouth widening and the functional airway thing, again, you guys I’ll link up in the show notes, a couple of awesome podcasts with some functional dentists. It’s game changing. It is. If you can find a good, uh, functional dentist.

[00:34:53] Jenny Swisher: I mean, at this point, I believe everybody has something like whether it’s all airway,

[00:34:57] Karly Kelly: airway approach, like it’s looking like the image that they can see. Like I could, my son’s airway was, 36. It was so blocked. You could only see 36 percent of it on this, like on the x ray that we have it. I never knew about it.

[00:35:12] Karly Kelly: And it’s like, why are

[00:35:13] Jenny Swisher: those not like the cone beam CT scan? Like, why is that not part of just our proactive wellness? I mean, I say this all the time. Women need a Dutch test every other year. I don’t know why not. Right. I also think that we need genetic testing. Everybody should know what their gene mutations are.

[00:35:26] Jenny Swisher: And we know that from birth. So like, let’s just please get that out of the way. I know I could have saved myself a 40 year struggle if I had known of my gene mutations. Um, and then with, with oral health, like, I mean, why I don’t, I honestly don’t know. We did the whole pediatric dentist thing for a while.

[00:35:41] Jenny Swisher: You go, you get the cool sunglasses, they brush your teeth, they do fluoride, we have a whole podcast on that, um, and then they give you like your little baggie with your Colgate and your toothbrush and you head out the door, like, at a functional dentist’s office, it’s such a different experience, like, they take a combium scan, they’re looking at your whole mouth, your airway, They’re looking at lip and tongue tie.

[00:36:00] Jenny Swisher: Like, they’re looking at actual root causes of things. And I know you guys, some of you listening are probably like, this is, this is frou frou. Like, what is she saying? I’m telling you, it’s so real. There’s a book called Airway is Life by Dr. Dasani. I’ll link that up for you guys as well. But it is, it, it’s changed the game for my oldest.

[00:36:15] Jenny Swisher: So I mentioned to you guys here on this show that my oldest was a great eater, right? She latched on to the bottle. She’s been, you She still is like 97th percentile for height. Like she’s had no problem eating. Um, but she has struggled with, um, I’ll say skittishness, a little bit of like, Anxiety issues, especially in the afternoon.

[00:36:35] Jenny Swisher: Um, our doctor thought she seemed a little hyperactive at her last appointment and there’s always been something eating at me about her sleep. So even as a baby, when I would be holding her in the middle of the night in a rocking chair, um, I would, I’d be like, did she stop breathing? Like, you know, how you would get that feeling where you’re like, wait a minute.

[00:36:52] Jenny Swisher: And you kind of like rattle them for a second and then they breathe again. But I just thought that’s what babies did. Right. And so I had that experience with her as, as an infant and then just sort of forgot about it, you know, as time went on and then. Um, when we started seeing a functional doc or functional dentist, he said right away, he’s like, Oh, Ellery’s airway is too small.

[00:37:09] Jenny Swisher: He’s like, her tonsils and adenoids are so large. And she, she’s a really tall kid, you know, big, strong kid. And so I think he’s thinking, you know, like, Oh, wow. Like tonsils might need to be removed. Well, he actually said, he goes, actually, I think we can look at mouth widening. She may, she may actually grow into these tonsils and adenoids.

[00:37:25] Jenny Swisher: So I don’t necessarily think you need to take them out right away, but you may want to get an assessment. So we went to two different ENTs. Because we pay for our own insurance because we’re entrepreneurs. We were just paying, we would be paying cash for her tonsil procedure. And both ENTs were like, Oh, you’re paying cash.

[00:37:40] Jenny Swisher: Okay, well we can get her in next week. And we were like, now, wait a minute. Like, does she need it? Does she not need it? Right. So, um, so we ended up going a different route and just saying, okay, we’re actually going to take a look at. She had a little bit of like a lip tie more so than tongue. So we had that fixed.

[00:37:55] Jenny Swisher: We’re doing the mouth widening piece. And then this last appointment, they’re like, she’s actually growing into her top. Like her airway is, is where this is working because she’s actually kind of growing into, um, her tonsils and adenoids. It’s just, it’s been a journey, right? Like, and it’s, it’s been a journey for both kids, but when you can see things through that, that functional lens, it is game changing the other, the other thing I want to say when you’re talking about the F pies thing is Sutton.

[00:38:19] Jenny Swisher: I shared this with you, but this, this past August at the start of the school year, first day of school for my oldest, my youngest starts not feeling well. She had fever and extreme lethargy, nothing else, no sore throat. No cough, no congestion, no tummy, but, you know, nothing. And so we went to the urgent care 24 hours after symptoms.

[00:38:40] Jenny Swisher: They did, they did a couple of swabs. It wasn’t COVID. They sent us home, said it was a virus. Five days later, she broke out in a full body rash. And there was still no other symptoms, but she was very, very lethargic. So took her back to the, to the urgent care, which is probably my mistake. And it happened to be the same doctor that we had seen the previous Tuesday.

[00:39:00] Jenny Swisher: And he said, he’s like, Oh, I saw you before. This is just a virus. It needs to run its course. In that moment that he said that, she wasn’t alert. Like we were both like poking her and trying to get her to wake up for the appointment. And she wasn’t like coming to at all. And he literally was like, Oh, it’s just a virus.

[00:39:15] Jenny Swisher: You just need to like, she’ll get over it. So we left the urgent care, went straight to the hospital. I was like, something’s not right. We ended up in the hospital for three days. And I just want to share this piece of it because we had chosen not to vaccinate her, you know, until age three or four, we were instantly put in the of infectious disease.

[00:39:33] Jenny Swisher: So we had to meet with infectious disease doctors. We had to, we met with seven different specialists. Um, they ended up quarantining us in a different section of the hospital. I had to wipe her down with Clorox wipes in order to, to enter the room. They wouldn’t let us into the room until I wiped her down naked with Clorox wipes.

[00:39:51] Jenny Swisher: Then. Just the way we were treated by all the specialists and full PPE, as if she had some like crazy disease from Nigeria or something, like they literally kept asking us if we traveled out of the country and at the end of the three days after I actually advocated for an antibiotic, because I said, listen, at this point, like if there is something there, like we need to do, we need to do something.

[00:40:11] Jenny Swisher: So they, they ended up doing a, an IV antibiotic. Thank God. She turned a corner. And then they still never figured out what was going on. Like we were, we were told it could be leukemia. We were told all these different things. And finally they were like, no, we’ve ruled all that out. We don’t know what it is.

[00:40:24] Jenny Swisher: They did 30 different exotic, exotic disease tests on her in the hospital. Everything came back negative, of course. So, you know how it is like when all that comes back negative, they’re like, well, you can go home. And so they sent us home and I was like, wait, we still don’t really know what it was, you know?

[00:40:39] Jenny Swisher: Like, I mean, I wanted to go home, but. We told our doctor, our functional doctor about it, and she looked over all the labs and she said, she’s like, your daughter goes to outdoor preschool. She’s like, did they ever check her for Lyme? I’m, I was just gonna say, yeah, Lyme. And I said, no. I said, I thought that would be on the exotic disease test or whatever.

[00:40:57] Jenny Swisher: And it wasn’t. So she sent us in for a lab draw just the next day, and she tested positive for Lyme. And it’s just, it’s crazy to me like the way that we were treated in that whole experience.

[00:41:07] Karly Kelly: Mm-Hmm. .

[00:41:08] Jenny Swisher: Was just like, Oh, she, she’s going to like, you know, poison the world. She’s going to make the whole hospital sick.

[00:41:12] Jenny Swisher: Like we better quarantine her. And I understand their protocols. And I understand that they have to go through those things. But as a result of their fears for that, they did not look at what I think was the most obvious causes for her. And they, they truly didn’t give her the care that she needed, in my opinion.

[00:41:28] Jenny Swisher: So, you know, I’m not the person that’s like going to raise a whole ruckus about it and I haven’t shared it. But it just, again, opened my eyes to the importance of. You know, saying like. Could this be hand, foot, mouth disease? Could this be this or that? Like what, you know, asking the questions, um, and realizing that like some of the doctors are going to shut you down.

[00:41:47] Jenny Swisher: And we had some that were very open and they were like, you know, I had a couple of that came in. I think one was the, the oncologist that ruled out leukemia. And she put her hand on me and was like, I don’t think it’s what they, you know, I don’t think it’s infectious disease. Like, she, she was like, I think we’re going to be okay here.

[00:42:02] Jenny Swisher: And so, um, some of them would listen. Some of them wouldn’t. And you have to realize that you feel alone in those moments. Like, you’re the only person who, who really cares, but at the same time, like. You are their own. You’re you are your own best advocate, but you’re also your child’s best advocate as well

[00:42:19] Karly Kelly: Absolutely.

[00:42:20] Karly Kelly: And then you know, we pay out of pocket for our pediatrician and that’s a whole nother story because she Has helped us, you know get into the hospital and you know when my son broke his arm She called triage got us in just things that I feel like should be Already in everyone’s care like we I should not have to pay but out of pocket for things like this and Um Another thing to touch on, too, is the ENTs in some of the groups here, they don’t believe in tongue in lip tie.

[00:42:50] Karly Kelly: So it’s like we have, I have a whole little network of people that kind of work together and the one thing that’s lacking in our area is an ENT who will look at everything they don’t believe in lip and tongue tie. So it’s like, people are also getting this conflicted information. And I think a lot of our stories are born out of, um, something that we have gone through personally, because even the chiropractors that we see, and the, um, my acupuncture lady who I’ve seen for 10 years, they’re, they’re like, Babies and kids immune systems aren’t fully developed till they’re two.

[00:43:23] Karly Kelly: There’s no issue in delaying or making a decision that feels right for our family. But when we do that, and then something happens, we’re treated in a way that doesn’t feel good or, and it makes us feel like, did we make it? It’s that second guessing. And then it’s like the intuition thing. And it’s really hard to navigate that like you’re saying when you’re feeling bombarded.

[00:43:44] Karly Kelly: And I can only imagine how you felt in that room and getting all these conflicted. Opinions. And yeah, it’s, it’s tough to navigate. I know why women and moms out there feel conflicted and don’t feel heard. And when we did end up removing my son’s ad noise, I didn’t even know that it was over a hundred percent blocked.

[00:44:04] Karly Kelly: And he was almost growing a third and fourth one, the doctor who we went traveled to see, he was like, well, this was the right decision. They were not going at this point. They weren’t going down. But. I’m grateful for everything we did prior because he needed the widening anyways, we could have taken him out and it’s still his airways still would have been, you know, impeded.

[00:44:27] Karly Kelly: So being able to look at everything and then make, and then do the steps we needed to get to the decision we made is how it should be. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, for sure.

[00:44:37] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, we had, thankfully, you know, our chiropractor that we worked with with Sutton early on said, Don’t just go straight to the surgery.

[00:44:44] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. She also had torticollis. She also had, you know, it was very tight on one side, all those things. And so, um, we did, you know, that we did myofascial release therapy. We did, um, chiropractic work. We did a lot of body work. The lactation consultant that we saw would do body work. She’d put her on her tummy.

[00:45:01] Jenny Swisher: She would instantly calm on her tummy, which was her basically down regulating her nervous system. Like we learned so much. My whole

[00:45:08] Karly Kelly: kitchen table was a, it was a, um, it was a PT. Table for Declan had the balls on it. It had the rolls on. I mean, the whole thing was set up. Yeah. Like you’re bringing all these memories, all the

[00:45:19] Jenny Swisher: memories back.

[00:45:20] Jenny Swisher: Oh yeah. They screamed through the whole thing. I mean, she was only like four, six weeks old. Yeah. Screamed through the whole thing. But you’re like, I hope I know I’m doing the right thing. I know I’m doing the right thing.

[00:45:28] Karly Kelly: But

[00:45:29] Jenny Swisher: you know, I had to

[00:45:29] Karly Kelly: walk out of a few appointments. I’m like, you have her. You have him.

[00:45:32] Karly Kelly: ’cause my, we had to do the same with my daughter. Yeah. One quick thing I did wanna touch on. When you were talking about your, when you were holding your daughter and she was. Breathe, like having those moments of breathing. We did an in home sleep study who I’ve told you about. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He’s phenomenal but when we did the sleep study for my son, that was another box I wanted to check off just to see what was going on.

[00:45:52] Karly Kelly: I slept in the bed with him the first night because I was like, I have to sleep with him. We ended up doing the study two nights in a row. Ken was awesome and I didn’t sleep with him the next night. Same results. Declan had eight apnea episodes that I didn’t see or hear. And he snored 256 times. I heard not one snore.

[00:46:10] Karly Kelly: So I think two, um, But that was eye opening for me because I was like, wait a minute. I was in the room with him. I stayed up till midnight making sure he was okay, just laying in his bed. I didn’t hear him snore once. Well, it doesn’t have to be a loud storm right now for you to be quiet. Yeah. Yeah. If they sleep with their mouth, even open a little bit and the tongue is not resting on the roof of the mouth.

[00:46:34] Karly Kelly: You know, the Vegas nerve, you know, all that, then that’s another sign. But in my mind, I was thinking I needed to listen for like a snoring giant. Right. Right. But we don’t know what we don’t know. And when we know better, we can do better. And I think like that is something that, you know, connected you and I, and it’s just taking these little learning blocks and, um, making the best decisions that we can with all of the information, not just one sided one E and T’s information, but collectively, you know, working with.

[00:47:03] Karly Kelly: With everyone has really helped. Yeah.

[00:47:06] Jenny Swisher: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. My daughter was the same way. I mean, I remember it was mostly just she would stop breathing, but there wasn’t a noise. There wasn’t like a snore or anything like that was just like, wait a minute. Is she breathing? Right? Then you’d kind of rattle her and then she’d gasp.

[00:47:19] Jenny Swisher: Um,

[00:47:20] Karly Kelly: and then my son in the car seat, he would sleep with his mouth. He would drool and he was so loud. I, I, everything pointed to me sleep. Sleep. Sleep. It’s sleep. You know, it’s not sensory. It’s not, it just, yeah. So. That makes sense. Right.

[00:47:34] Jenny Swisher: And I mean, with Ellery, she napped until her first day of kindergarten.

[00:47:38] Jenny Swisher: So this was before any awareness that I had of, of mouth and, and all that stuff. So, you know, we would joke around, we would tell her preschool teachers like, Oh, she’ll be asleep in the car on the way home, you know, and then, um, kindergarten, we were worried. We’re like, is she going to make it through the school day?

[00:47:50] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. And that first year was rocky because she would come home and go to sleep at like three o’clock in the afternoon. And that was when we started to say like, okay, like most kids by now have outgrown a nap, you know? So like there were small things like that. And then when the nap went away, All of a sudden she became a terrorist, like from 3, 3 PM on, you know, like she wanted to just, she would just be grouchy and she couldn’t sit still.

[00:48:12] Jenny Swisher: And like, that’s when we started to see sort of like that more hyperactive. Right. And you’re thinking like, if you just had a nap, you’d be fine, but then you’re like, why would you need the nap when you’re five or six? Right. So. That for us was the first thing. And then having gone through that with Sutton, I was like, okay, well, I don’t think Ellery has like a severe lip, like any sort of leeching in her mouth, but maybe there’s something else, you know?

[00:48:34] Jenny Swisher: And this was before I was ever aware of like the airway piece. Like I learned about lip and tongue tie first. And then we learned about airway and mouth. And so it’s like, you know, you, of course just kind of learn about it as you have to. But, um, I had, it was funny because I had a college roommate. I just keep thinking about this.

[00:48:48] Jenny Swisher: My college roommate, my senior year, she was an athlete and she would say, well, my mom always said. If you’re not feeling right, you either need to sleep, poop or talk it out. . Exactly. And she used to say it all the time and we would all laugh at her. And it’s funny ’cause now as I enter 41, I’m like, most things can be solved by sleeping, pooping, or talking it out at this point.

[00:49:07] Jenny Swisher: Yes.

[00:49:08] Karly Kelly: It’s so true. Sleep is the foundation for these kids too. Yeah, right. I truly think every child should, there should be a screening, like you said. Yes. For certain things, even like. Um, you know, when, when babies have to wear a helmet, it’s like, well, let’s also fix, do the body work. Yeah. To, do you know what I mean?

[00:49:29] Karly Kelly: There’s so many things that I’ve learned on this journey and it’s like, yeah, because if the fascia is still tight, right, like I

[00:49:35] Jenny Swisher: learned this, like if the fascia in the body is still tight, you’re really only correcting half the problem. Yes. Like in Sutton’s case, yes, they did go in and laser her lip and tongue tie.

[00:49:44] Jenny Swisher: Oddly enough, it has grown back. So we have to do it again. Um, but. It’s interesting because like you’re the body will actually just stay and remain tight, right? So you have to work on that for to call us. You have to work on the weaker side, the stronger side. Like it does. It does make total sense. Once you get it, I have

[00:50:01] Karly Kelly: really severe scoliosis and I had to wear a back brace, but I’m telling you, if there’s something tight in my neck, My knee will hurt.

[00:50:08] Karly Kelly: It’s like all interconnected. So we can’t just focus. I can’t just focus on all this piece of my neck. It’s like that also having scoliosis and really like our body keeps score. You don’t even like it’s all interconnected. And when we look at one piece. It’s not going to give us the whole picture. And I think that’s like the biggest lesson that I’ve looked at.

[00:50:32] Karly Kelly: It’s like, there is a reason for things. There is a root call. And we keep peeling back the layers. We keep getting curious. We keep asking questions and we do it in an empowered way and not in a, Oh, you didn’t do this, the right exact schedule or this exact way. You’re going to be shamed. It leaves moms feeling hopeless and feeling crazy when we’re not, it’s just our intuition is saying.

[00:50:53] Karly Kelly: No, my son is not sleeping. Good. He’s all over the bed. It’s been there. And, um, I just want to empower women to like, use their voice, use their intuition. I’ve learned. Some of the best people I’ve learned from are other moms who’ve gone before me or, you know, in the more kind of crunchy space, but also in the middle space where they’ve learned.

[00:51:14] Karly Kelly: I think the more we can share and have an open dialogue about this stuff, the more we can all learn because you and I, even our stories we’ve learned from each other. I mean, my tongue and your daughters and my son’s sleep. It’s like, just you and I chatting. I kind of had like little light bulb moment. So, um, that goes so far for for women and moms.

[00:51:33] Jenny Swisher: I think that when I always say when, when women can become vulnerable in the service of other women, and a lot of times when I say that, I mean, hormone health speaking, whether that’s through your infertility struggle or perimenopause journey, or for me, migraine headaches, like when we can share those experiences, we’re serving someone else because someone else hears that and they’re like, that’s me, like, how can you help me with, with what you went through?

[00:51:53] Jenny Swisher: But the more I get into parenthood, The more I see that this is equally as important, even if it does ruffle some feathers, even if, you know, I’m going to lose some followers, like it still needs to be said because there could be a mom out there who’s like, wait, this is something I’m wondering about. Like, can you help me?

[00:52:10] Jenny Swisher: When can you help me better understand? So I’m going to wrap this up with this. Cause I think one thing we haven’t said here is, you know, um, like our, I think. Everything we’re doing in this advocacy space, not only for ourselves, but for our children is impacting our children so much, not just with how they sleep and these sort of health factors that we’ve touched on today, right?

[00:52:30] Jenny Swisher: Like. I talk about the fundamentals of hormone balance being like sleep and nutrition. We kind of touched on all those things, but just in how they show up in their lives and how they heal, um, is really just so crazy. And, and something that’s worth mentioning here, as we wrap up, I shared Sutton’s story about, you know, obviously she was in an in utero car accident.

[00:52:53] Jenny Swisher: Um, we didn’t know about that until later. But it was funny because when we started seeking out these, I’m just going to say woo woo doctors and these frou frou people that I was told that were frou frou science, when we started working with them, um, they would say things to us like, I would, I would tell them, oh, I hate bringing her here twice a week because she screams the whole way here and the whole way home.

[00:53:15] Jenny Swisher: Right. And finally I had one of those doctors say to me, they were like, has she ever had any sort of like car trauma? Um, because she seems to, you say this every time, like she seems to really hate the car. And we learned that she had been in a car accident and utero. And we were like, well, yeah, you know?

[00:53:32] Jenny Swisher: And so I actually interviewed a gal on the podcast about trauma and her name is Lily Correll. I’ll link it up. And she was talking about this mice study, right? Where the offspring of mice. experiences. Traumatically, as their, their parents did. So this epigenetic idea of trauma, which I won’t, we don’t have time to go into that type today.

[00:53:50] Jenny Swisher: But, uh, I started learning about that too. And I started to see like, okay, Sutton hates the car. Probably a, because she’s so twisted. She was so torticolous twisted that it was uncomfortable, but also because she’s had a traumatic experience in the car. And so everything that I’ve done, like, through Taking her to those sessions and helping her through with the actual health piece, or even with, with Ellery and helping her with her sleep, pales in comparison to the healing journey of helping her through those types of traumas.

[00:54:19] Jenny Swisher: We now make the car fun, right? And so she screamed the first eight weeks of her life every time we got in and out of a car. And so we had trauma informed therapists that were in my life say, say to me, Make the car fun, like play fun music, have Ellery talk to her, tell her stories. And so actually this morning she rode to, we take, we have a 30 minute commute to my daughter’s school.

[00:54:41] Jenny Swisher: She rode with Ellery to school, which she normally doesn’t want to do. And they, she wanted to sing songs in the car. So she’s overcoming these pieces of trauma that were part of her history that had I not plugged in and learned some of this fruit, fruit science, you know, not only did I help her thrive nutritionally, but also I’m helping her thrive emotionally.

[00:55:01] Jenny Swisher: Right. There’s, it goes so much deeper and the body really is connected. So,

[00:55:04] Karly Kelly: yeah. And it does truly keep score. And my son, our first lactation experience in the hospital, you know, he was born at nine Oh two and lactation lady was ready to leave. He screamed the whole time. It never felt right to me. I was a new mom.

[00:55:19] Karly Kelly: She forced it and forced it. I swear that that’s why that child never latched the lactation consultants that we saw afterwards. The ones that even came to our house were like, I have never seen such a strong willed baby. Yeah. Not when a latch and my mother in law and I were talking about it. I was like, I think he has trauma from his first hour of life trying to be force fed on me.

[00:55:37] Karly Kelly: Screaming. It was like traumatic for both of us. We never, my body, my shoulders were like up to my ears. Every time I tried to feed them. It was like, so everything that you’re saying is so, So it keeps even little babies in utero, it’s trauma and it, yeah, the nervous system that we could do a whole nother podcast and I know we should just co host something.

[00:55:59] Karly Kelly: Yeah, I know. And like parenting, what you’re talking about, it’s like that connected parenting and having fun. I have worked through my kids in so many instances being connected to them. And I think I would love to do a podcast with you on this because. I have so much to say on that. And I do think that that also lays the foundation for them to be able to go through, like my son just had his blood drawn yesterday at our pediatrician’s office.

[00:56:22] Karly Kelly: Um, he didn’t even flinch, but it’s because of all the foundational work that I’ve done with him and the connected parenting, the nervous system work to get him to that place. And I think what you’re talking about now is so important. So, so important too. So, yeah.

[00:56:36] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. It just goes deeper. It goes deeper.

[00:56:38] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Peel back the onion on our health. Yeah. But I, I’m finding that the more we do, that we peel back the onion on who we are and what our traumas are, and it’s all, it’s all connected. We, you can always sleep poop or talk it out to, to work your way through something. Right. But we’ve got, we have so

[00:56:51] Karly Kelly: much to talk about.

[00:56:52] Jenny Swisher: We got so much to talk. We, I, I, I knew this was gonna be like the world’s fastest hour. I knew it. I know . Um, but yeah, we’ll have to have you back on and, and like I said, I wanted today to be all about just self-advocacy, helping. Especially the women who listen to my podcast, who are maybe struggling with their own health journey right now, feeling unheard or feeling gaslit in their doctor’s office, or just feeling like they’re not making progress, but also for the moms out there who are literally like, am I crazy?

[00:57:16] Jenny Swisher: Like, is this infant formula really made with corn syrup? Like for those of you who are having these types of thoughts and questions, Carly and I are here to, to answer them and to, to be your friends. So Carly, tell us as we wrap it up, where can people find you? I’ll make sure that I link up your social in the show notes, but just tell us.

[00:57:31] Jenny Swisher: I

[00:57:33] Karly Kelly: am. I’m on, I’m on Instagram. I show up there. I love to bring some lighthearted humor there as well as some of the things that we’ve touched on and talked about today and just, you know, be a resource. I know what it feels like for women to feel misunderstood or feel like something’s off and not feel heard.

[00:57:48] Karly Kelly: So if I can be a voice in this space for, you know, everything that we’ve gone through, but also pay it forward to someone else, um, we’re here for that. So you can find me, chat with me on Instagram, follow along. And yeah, I really love being here with you, learning from you. And also, I think some of these key topics are just, we just got to keep talking about them and, um, you know, get a second, third opinion.

[00:58:09] Karly Kelly: There’s nothing wrong. With seeing someone else or seeing someone who maybe has a different approach, you’re going to learn something either way. And then you can make an informed decision from both of these approaches, blend them together, um, or just have all the knowledge at your fingertips. And make the best decision for you and your family.

[00:58:26] Karly Kelly: So I’m talking about this. I love advocating. I think it’s so important and I think it can be done in such a such a growth oriented way that we feel empowered and we feel like we can make the best educated decision, whether it’s removing adenoids, expander, sleep, IVF, fertility, hormones, menopause, all of that stuff.

[00:58:46] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Yeah. I had someone tell me recently, Jenny, you always see the world in black and white and you need to see it in a little more gray. And I think that’s the whole point of this podcast today is to really help people say, like, maybe the way you’ve been thinking needs to blend into the gray somewhere, right?

[00:59:00] Jenny Swisher: Like, if you’re thinking about unfollowing me after this, like, let me just ask you to see the gray. That’s what I’m saying, because we will all learn so much more this way. I mean, for sure. For sure. Yeah. Sometimes when I say things out loud, like I remember telling my mom about the whole like what mouth widening thing.

[00:59:18] Jenny Swisher: She looked at me like, what, like, what is this? And I’m like, no, it’s a real thing. I promise you. So if this all sounds free for you, good, because, uh, that means it’s on another end of the spectrum that maybe you haven’t pursued or looked at. And if your child has anything going on, look at anything and

[00:59:33] Karly Kelly: it doesn’t have to be snoring.

[00:59:34] Karly Kelly: It can just be a little open in the mouth. Yeah.

[00:59:37] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Oral health has root cause. Huge thing. So, okay. So now I’m already making a list of, we got to have you back on. We’re going to talk, we can talk red dye, fluoride. We can talk all the things that we couldn’t dive into today. Um, but I love this and I love you, Carly.

[00:59:51] Jenny Swisher: Thank you so much for doing this. You guys, I’ll link everything up in the show notes, but until next time we’ll talk soon. All right. Thank you so much.