Mind-Body Medicine for Healing: Interview with Dr. Moshe Daniel Block
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Welcome to the SYNC Your Life podcast episode #311! On this podcast, we will be diving into all things women’s hormones to help you learn how to live in alignment with your female physiology. Too many women are living with their check engine lights flashing. You know you feel “off” but no matter what you do, you can’t seem to have the energy, or lose the weight, or feel your best. This podcast exists to shed light on the important topic of healthy hormones and cycle syncing, to help you gain maximum energy in your life.
In today’s episode, I interview Dr. Moshe Daniel Block. Dr. Moshe Daniel Block, a naturopathic doctor, author, and innovator in mind-body medicine who graduated from the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine in 2000. He created and teaches the Vis Dialogue, a transformative mind-body healing technique that has helped thousands achieve life-changing results, and offers a full certification program in Holistic Counseling (holistic-counseling.ca). Having overcome myasthenia gravis with the medicine he practices, Dr. Moshe also provides personal healing programs for chronic illness and emotional suffering (dr–moshe.com).
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311 – SYNCPodcast – Dr.Moshe
[00:00:00] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the Sync Your Life podcast. Today, I’m joined by my new friend, Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth. Now I’m super excited for this interview. We had the chance to connect in advance and you guys know me. I like to really make sure that I’m Really treating the whole woman, not just her hormone health, but also just her mind, body, soul, her relationships, all the things.
[00:01:19] Jenny Swisher: So, Dr. Moshe is going to be a perfect guest for our show today. He’s a naturopathic doctor, author, and innovator in mind body medicine who graduated from the Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine. He created and teaches the V’s Dialogue, a transformative mind body healing technique that has helped thousands achieve life changing results and offers a full certification program in holistic counseling.
[00:01:40] Jenny Swisher: Having overcome myasthenia gravis with the medicine he practices, Dr. Moshe also provides personal healing programs for chronic illness and emotional suffering. So again, super excited to dive into this interview today. We’re going to be talking, yes, specifically to women’s health, but also just how mind body medicine really works and the power of it.
[00:01:58] Jenny Swisher: So, uh, a lot of my listeners know at this point that I, I veer on the side of all forms of medicine. I love Chinese medicine, Ayurvedic medicine, and I love There’s even some, you know, modern medicine that I’m a fan of. I like to really look at an integrative approach. So I’m excited to just hear more about your story, kind of how you got to doing what you’re doing and how you serve people.
[00:02:17] Jenny Swisher: So let’s start there. Like what, what do you do and how did you get here?
[00:02:22] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Well, yes. Great. I’d love to dive in. And thank you for having me on your on your show. I’m thrilled to be on here and love to love to chat with you about these topics. What I’m understanding about myself is that I think what attracted me to become a healer and a doctor is that I had a very kind of sick childhood with all kinds of issues.
[00:02:45] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: , you name it, chronic asthma and chronic strep throat to recurrent pneumonia, bronchitis. And then I. Et cetera, et cetera. I was also breaking a lot of bones. So I was out a lot and then recovering from that. And then I developed this chronic illness, called myasthenia gravis. And I just knew like, cause I was always interested in like, um, new agey stuff and healing and self help and.
[00:03:13] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: I had read Barbara Brennan’s hands of light when I was just 15 years old. It’s amazing in exploration of the subtle energy bodies and the chakras and the flow of of Chi and Oregon through our body. So, I really learned, I was really excited about that. And then. I had this experience of powerful healing when I was this.
[00:03:35] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Let’s see about 30 years ago. So I was 21. I was looking at getting into naturopathic medicine. And I like naturopathic medicine because it was a balance between science, modern science, and, you know, conventional medical sciences like a differential diagnosis, pathology, bio, uh, you know, microbiology, uh, immunology, all this different things.
[00:04:01] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And then also these subtle energy, , medicine, Modalities like you mentioned acupuncture. We also do herbal medicine. We do nutrition counseling and psychotherapy. So there was a lot of, I like the balance of let’s call it for simplicity, East and West and then I got sick and then I had this powerful spontaneous healing when I.
[00:04:24] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: I did a dialogue of a similar nature to what I’ve developed throughout through the options Institute, the work of Barry Neal Kaufman and Samaria Kaufman, where I was asked questions to reflect deeper and deeper into what I was actually thinking inside of myself to get to reveal this underlying false belief system.
[00:04:44] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: That I had held pretty pretty strongly on to until that moment where I believed I needed to be perfect and like the person that was interviewing me at the time. She said, well, what makes you believe you need to be perfect? And I never even thought about that before. So that that thought was the, the game changing question.
[00:05:05] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And I realized in the question, the answer was available to me, and that’s true for a lot of people, but not everybody. Sometimes you really need to work at dislodging the false belief. But for me, I was ready to realize, oh my gosh, I just never thought about that. I don’t need to be perfect. And I had a spontaneous healing.
[00:05:24] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Um, I had paralysis of my arms, droopiness of my eyelids, difficulty swallowing, difficulty breathing. And I had, I just was restored to health in that moment. Uh, took about three minutes, like the, like the floodgates open, the chi flowed and I was healthy again. It was quite remarkable.
[00:05:45] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, that’s, that’s so crazy.
[00:05:47] Jenny Swisher: And honestly, you know, I’ve had similar experiences. My listeners know that I’ve suffered from , chronic migraines, um, for, I guess in my teenage years, and then also kind of creeping back into my forties, which is kind of why I have the hormone health podcasts and hormone health education. I want to teach women all about what I’ve experienced, but the reality is that, um, In working with one doctor in particular, Dr.
[00:06:08] Jenny Swisher: Meg mill, who I’ve had here on the show, you know, one of the things that she tried to instill in me very early on in our journey to figuring out, like, what are these migraine triggers and what What, what’s happening, you know, and, and for me, it was a matter of like, what testing do we need to do and what supplements should I take?
[00:06:23] Jenny Swisher: And what’s, you know, almost like what’s wrong with me? Uh, why is this happening? And very early on in the very first session we ever had, it was very much about, okay, like, as we navigate this, let’s also work on your mind. Like, let’s also work on, you know, affirmations and positive thinking because, you know, she really sort of instigated this idea that like, I can make things a lot worse, with the extra extra stress and the way that my mind is thinking.
[00:06:49] Jenny Swisher: So give us some examples, I guess, or, or kind of what you’ve seen of just how the mind and body are connected. I don’t know if you wanna share just anonymous stories or, or just, you know, what you’ve seen and what you’ve been able to help with. Yeah. But I think it’d be helpful for my listeners to know like, what does this really mean?
[00:07:03] Jenny Swisher: And, and how is my, how is my thinking tied to my body?
[00:07:07] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Amazing question. Great, great setup. And, you know, I could, I’ll just continue with my story. And then because this really illustrates what you’re asking about. And then I could also reveal some other examples. So, in my mind, I believed I needed to be perfect and I was the judge jury and executioner of judging myself if I wasn’t.
[00:07:32] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And so, if I wasn’t perfect by my own ideas, I would punish myself internally by an internal sort of, like. Stupid stupid stupid or what’s wrong with you or you’re I’m a bad person for not being perfect And then so there’s an energy that I’m directing against myself. I become the enemy And so the immune system, like when I, when I say there’s a mind body connection, the body is literally a reflection of the mind.
[00:08:00] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So what’s going on in terms of the body, the body will operate healthy and not have any problems. It doesn’t make problems on its own. It doesn’t spontaneously start creating issues when there’s harmony in the person’s life and their mind and their relationship with. You know, God and themselves and others, then the body responds and acts fine.
[00:08:23] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: But when there’s a false belief system, it will reflect that by, and I’ll, I’ll give you an example by me attacking myself, my, like the part of me that can attack and defend turned against myself, my immune system. So when I work with patients with autoimmune disease, I will see this factor in them, some kind of.
[00:08:43] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Self hatred, self attack, guilt that’s internalized, anger that’s not expressed, it’s turned against the self. And then the immune cells will say, hey, the boss is busy attacking him or herself. That’s what we, that’s our job then. It reflects. So in cases of like constipation, the person is holding on to waste, holding on to crap.
[00:09:06] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So the body will do the same because the person’s not letting go of something that they ought to let go of. They’re very uptight. They’re holding on and not letting something out. Like literally, the body will reflect these forms of, of behavior. , in high blood pressure, the person is, Bottling stuff up.
[00:09:27] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So if you have a bottle and you stuff things in it. The pressure increases. So the emotional feel, emotional energy is very powerful energy. And I don’t know if you’ve ever experienced power through anger or through mama bear defense of children, or like, there’s a lot of power behind emotion. So if there’s emotion that is being bottled up,
[00:09:53] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: the blood pressure will increase because it is the body. The person is under pressure. These are some examples. I had a case of a woman with myasthenia gravis. And she was very weak. She could barely get out of a chair. And when I started asking her about her, um, like how it felt and everything, she felt a lot, a huge weight, a weight in her shoulders, a weight in her size, like right, like right, right in the five flexors, she could barely get out of a chair.
[00:10:23] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And I said, well, what does it feel? Well, what does the weight feel like? Well, it feels like I’m, I’m carrying someone. I said, well, who do you feel like you’re carrying? And she said, everyone. And then she started bawling. And that opened up this dialogue, this discussion about how she had lost brother in her family, and it had rocked her entire family.
[00:10:45] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: She had other siblings. When she felt her family falling apart as a result of the death of her brother, she felt responsible for holding it all together. So she was carrying the emotional weight and baggage of her family members. And when she realized that she was doing this, and then, of course, there’s a choice involved in all of these things that we choose to bring on, she realized that she didn’t have to do that anymore.
[00:11:13] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And she let go of her family of carrying them and she had a spontaneous healing during our session where the weight lifted and she felt free to move around in her body again. So, these are, these are some examples of how mind body, how the energies on the subtle body will imprint the body to feel a like, emotional, mental quality, but it’s at the body level and I have countless examples of this, but go ahead.
[00:11:39] Jenny Swisher: And honestly, so I have this funny story and I can’t remember if I’ve shared this before for my listeners, but it’s it’s a good one. So in the midst of this more recent migraine journey for me, um, this friend of mine, my good friend Lisa, she took me to sort of a Chinese medicine healer that was close, close by.
[00:11:57] Jenny Swisher: And my people know that like, Okay. When it comes to this, like any, you name it, I’ve tried it. I’ve done Botox for migraine acupuncture. Like I’ve, I’ve seen everybody. Um, this particular guy was just an awesome guy. I mean, I showed up, I remember, I’ll never forget. He was like completely barefoot. , you know, it was, it was a practice he was, it was doing in his house.
[00:12:14] Jenny Swisher: And within the first 10 minutes, he really started asking me questions about just my childhood and like, you know, where sort of like my background. Right. And I remember telling him certain pieces of, of my early childhood. And. Within just a matter of minutes, he was able to really zero in on like, well, this is, have you ever put it together that like, this is why you are who you are, right?
[00:12:38] Jenny Swisher: Like we had this whole deep conversation and I always knew that. Like, I always knew that I was a type a, you know, sort of wanting to be in control type personality. , if the story has sort of followed me, like through my life, right, well, my dad was diagnosed with cancer when I was 12 years old. My parents moved, , across the country for a bone marrow transplant and I kind of had to, I always say I always had to, um, I had to go from age 12 to age 22 really quick because yes, my grandparents started to help out and, you know, I was in charge of getting my brother on the bus and, you know, all those types of things.
[00:13:09] Jenny Swisher: And so I kind of took on this more like maternal, but also wise. Uh, wise for my age personality, right? And that has sort of followed me through my life. I’ll never forget like my first employer saying like, you’re 22, you know, like what, what? Like, , and so, but as a result of that, kind of going back to your story, right?
[00:13:29] Jenny Swisher: I, I carry sometimes a lot more than maybe I need to carry. And so I remember telling this, this Chinese healer, this, and it was funny because he, he asked me a quick question about my brother and I answered him and he nailed my brother’s personality on like the, like, as soon as I told him just that bit of information.
[00:13:46] Jenny Swisher: And it made me realize like, there is so much connected into our childhood and how we are raised and how we really are shaped into who we become. And I know for me being sort of a science nerd and really diving deep in hormone health. One of the things that’s been really fascinating to me in the last year has been sort of the newer discoveries that I’ll say modern science is finding about autoimmune disease, , specifically for women in middle age, like why all of a sudden are we seeing these diagnoses of Hashimoto’s and, you know, thyroiditis and all these things creeping up for women over 40.
[00:14:21] Jenny Swisher: Well, Dr. Sarah Gottfried would argue in her book, Autoimmune Cure, that childhood trauma plays a huge role in that. So, I do want to kind of just dive deeper into, you know, the women’s health side of things, because I think, number one, there’s not a woman listening to this who can’t relate with With what I say often, which is women wear all the hats, right?
[00:14:40] Jenny Swisher: Like a lot of times, like we are nurturer caretaker. We make sure that the lunches are packed and the school stuff is prepped for. And when husband wants to know where his shoes are, you know, where they are, right? Like we pray a lot in our, in our brain. I just saw recently a statistic that said, , the female brain operates at a higher speed than the male brain.
[00:14:58] Jenny Swisher: Right. And so we’re starting to learn these things and it just makes a lot of sense because when when we look at the average woman, I’ll say over 40. We start to see all of a sudden, you know, we’re kind of entering perimenopause, we start to see, , sex hormones decline, you know, adrenals are a little extra taxed, all of a sudden we start to see this manifest.
[00:15:16] Jenny Swisher: I’ll never forget being told this on a podcast with Dr. Calvin Ng. He said that, you know, kind of connecting things back to Chinese medicine, he said a lot of times women dealing with thyroid conditions, for example, it has to do with holding on to their truth. And he gave these examples of. Sort of what modern medicine looks at and then how that compares.
[00:15:37] Jenny Swisher: Could you do that for us? Could you tell us a little bit more about like how this is all connected in, in sort of that world?
[00:15:43] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Yeah, for sure. A lot of this has to do with the, the, the balance of yin yang and masculine and feminine energy. So we are all, whether we’re a man or a woman, we all have the yin yang because the universe creation is made up of the balance of opposites.
[00:16:03] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And women, especially in their role of nurturer, tend to be heavily balanced towards the feminine. They’re nurturing, they’re caring, they’re thinking about others, they’re carrying all of this responsibility in the house and stuff, you know, in the family. And they neglect the masculine side of things, so they become imbalanced towards the feminine, then we see feminine issues and the thyroid problem of non expression of self is is a an example of a feminine imbalance issue.
[00:16:39] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Where, you know, there’s a fear to express oneself. There’s a fear to manifest oneself. There’s a fear to be negative and selfish because the masculine is the selfish energy. And I, I put that it that there’s a positive aspect to that. And then there’s a negative aspect. The positive aspect to being selfish is that you’re thinking of yourself.
[00:17:02] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And you’re doing what you want to do. You’re saying what you want to say, you’re eating what you want to eat, et cetera, et cetera. Right. And when, when a person, you know, in, in our, in our case here, women are so heavily oriented to thinking and taking care of others, they forget themselves. So, they’re, they are not in a healthy relationship with their masculine energy.
[00:17:28] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And so it could be so edifying for a woman to just recognize and to encourage and to meditate on. Well, what, where is my unexpressed masculine here? A masculine also includes boundaries, boundary setting, which means saying no, which means. No, you could do that yourself, right? Like things like that. This is not my role right now.
[00:17:53] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: You could do it. So there’s, there’s an age when a child needs the mom, and there’s nothing we could do about that except fulfill that role. And then there’s the age when the child, you know, you start easing away from, , the role of nurturer and, you know, , giving the milk and offering like physically, literally, physically, and also spiritually, mentally, all mentally, emotionally.
[00:18:20] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So when a woman starts to suffer, it’s because she’s stuck in the role. She’s stuck in a role. She’s not getting out of the role. And are you familiar with the, the, the triple goddess philosophy, like the virgin, okay, so there’s the triple goddess is like, and nature, um, relationship of understanding the three phases of a woman’s life.
[00:18:43] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: There’s the, the virgin. There’s the full bellied, pregnant, full breasted, milk giving, nurturer, mother, and then there’s the crone phase. So when a woman moves into menopause, she’s, I mean, her body is literally saying, Alright, I’m done with kids, and I’m done with any kind of nurturing, and at that stage in her life, She should, I’ll put in quotations cause I don’t love the word, but she should have, she ought to whatever, uh, move into a phase of thinking more of herself saying no to nurturing, uh, or, or yes, when she wants, it’s about her now.
[00:19:25] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: It’s not about the whole family and taking care of everybody. When a woman suffers from, and what I’ve seen in my practice, when a woman suffers from menopausal symptoms, she’s having a hard time moving into the crone phase. Which is basically, you know, not giving a shit anymore about others. I was just
[00:19:44] Jenny Swisher: about to say that.
[00:19:44] Jenny Swisher: I was literally gonna, I was just about
[00:19:46] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: to say that. I mean, she cares, but she doesn’t. Sort of like men, men are better at this than women in general, at not caring so much about others well being. And it could, it could be to a point where, Man, you’re so cold and disconnected, like, like really imbalanced because what a man could get into, the problem a man could get into is the lack of the feminine balance, which is the thoughtfulness, the caring, the kindness, the compassion for others.
[00:20:18] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So if a man is so masculine, he’s just sort of cold and disconnected and his boundary of the self is so strong. He’s not even thinking about other people and that’s his problem. Right. But the woman, the woman’s problem when she’s just so nurturing is, is that very thing is that she’s not, um, she could invite a little bit more not caring into her interstate
[00:20:43] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: that’s the, the canopy idea, which is a general idea, general philosophical notion. But then there’s the individual issues that a woman would have to face. In her belief systems, , in order to allow herself to feel at peace with saying no to saying, you know, to setting a clear boundary and saying, no, that’s not my role.
[00:21:09] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: That’s your thing. To disconnecting from feeling like she’s responsible for everything and everyone, because that’s, you know, imagine the woman, like exactly the, the, um, I have so much respect for tremendous amount of , things, pressure, uh, accomplishments that a woman does in, in taking care of the family.
[00:21:36] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Like, it’s just incredible. And I can’t do that , and I know that, I mean, maybe I could, but I would, I would suffer from the, the weight of all that and just being able to do all that stuff is amazing. Um, so I definitely recognize that. And then, you know. It could be continuously be fed back to the, to that mother, to that woman that she’s responsible for everything.
[00:22:03] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And so it could develop into an actual belief system. I am responsible for everything. And at a certain time that’s true. In regards to the kids and in a house or whatever, but then at a certain point that is not serving her to believe anymore. It’s not true anymore, but she can hold on to that and continue to carry that and that would affect her health negatively,
[00:22:25] Jenny Swisher: right?
[00:22:26] Jenny Swisher: Because kind of so circling it back, it kind of comes back to that. What are you holding on to? And these false beliefs. So I want to go deeper with that. I, I want to go 2 directions. I do want to talk more about just the menopausal transition, but I also before we go there, this idea of the false beliefs that we have and how, how they, you know.
[00:22:44] Jenny Swisher: It can change the game for us. So this is funny because you and I had a little pre chat about this topic a week or so ago. And as soon as we, like it was the same day, like the same day I talked to you, I opened up my Facebook. And I am in these, I think it’s just because of my stage of life. Like I’m in these perimenopause communities and I’m in these, you know, chronic migraine sufferer communities and just all these different groups on, on my Facebook that pop up, of course, when I open my phone, when I opened my app and we had, you had said something in our pre chat about how we can almost like, I don’t want to say will ourselves.
[00:23:20] Jenny Swisher: I don’t want to say will ourselves, but we can almost like think ourselves Chronic disease right or an ailment of some sort and I literally like after speaking to you I opened my phone and there’s this perimenopause group that I’m in and this woman had posted It was at the top of my feed and she’d posted does anybody else go into their mammogram?
[00:23:38] Jenny Swisher: Expecting cancer and she was like, I can’t be the only one. I know I’m living in fear You know, she explained, like, I think her mother or grandmother had had breast cancer. And it was like, I had spoken to you about these false beliefs and how we can almost will ourselves into disease and issues. And then I had seen something like that.
[00:23:54] Jenny Swisher: So I’d love to make that connection too, because I see this so, so much. I mean, I’ve had the great fortune of sitting in on virtual consults with hundreds of women at this point with Dr. Page and This is common. I mean, women are living in fear. We’re living in fear of, well, what if this hormone replacement therapy doesn’t work for me?
[00:24:12] Jenny Swisher: Or, you know, what if I’m destined for breast cancer because this is my history. And, and I just, I want to kind of talk about the role of fear, , in this false belief narrative.
[00:24:24] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: For sure, for sure. So I’d also like to just distinguish in my understanding, the difference between psychosomatic illness and, and the chronic illness, the mind body reflection.
[00:24:35] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So a woman says, Oh, I’m really scared. I’m going to, I’m going to go on the mammogram and I’m going to have breast cancer. And if that. That’s psychosomatic. Literally, the fear becomes manifest. , there was a year where there was, there were really like the American Medical Association or the FDA was marketing everywhere like, have you checked your prostate?
[00:24:57] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Have you gone in for, in, you know, incidents of cancer on the rise? And like, And that year, there was a very large, you know, an inordinately large number of diagnoses of cancer in America. Because, well, you might say, well, people were going in because they were, um, they were going in more, so they were diagnosing more.
[00:25:20] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: But there was also a lot more focus on cancer, and the mind is psychosomatically creating that reality. And so there’s a difference between psychosomatic like I’m afraid of something is going to happen and it’s going to happen where I think something’s going to happen and it happens in the body that that that’s one thing that happens.
[00:25:40] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: It’s more superficial and skin deep and then there’s the body literally reflecting and and old. Belief system that’s dwelling in the subconscious. And so the body is reflecting what’s going on. So, for the examples of, I’m holding, let’s say, I’m holding on to baggage and then I get constipated.
[00:26:01] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So, you can say that’s the, the, my body chronic relationship between the mind and the body, how the body is reflecting the mind versus a person saying. Oh, my gosh, I’m good to go. I’m going traveling and I’m gonna get constipated and then I’m gonna get all bloated. I’m gonna look fat on the beach. So there’s a fear there that’s psychosomatic.
[00:26:23] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Okay. So, either 1 can can occur., The role of fear is more at play with the conscious mind creating the illness. Versus the subconscious creating the illness in this fashion, where the belief system is not even in the person’s awareness. Right? A lot of this chronic illness that we have that influences the body is as a result of subconscious mind patterns.
[00:26:54] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: The person’s not even. aware of and the emotion is triggered subconsciously from these. So that, that’s, I, I, 99. 9 percent of the cases that I’m working with is through the chronic mind body stuff and not through this acute, , fear creating illness. But it can, and it does. I just, I don’t see that in my practice so much.
[00:27:22] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. I have some close friends. I have one friend in particular that I’m thinking of who’s a breast cancer survivor. And, um, we were chatting recently and she was talking about, and I’ve heard this come up in multiple places that she has really struggled since.
[00:27:37] Jenny Swisher: Since coming into remission, she’s struggled kind of feeling like she’s living in a cancer bubble. Like she’s, she’s constantly fearful that it’s going to come back or, you know, there’s always this sort of underlying thing. And I know that personalities like mine, which she is as well, we want to control what we can control.
[00:27:53] Jenny Swisher: Right. So, um, it’s, it’s interesting because it just makes me think through having this conversation, like how much is it really serving us to hold onto that control? And I think through, you know, My friend, Jen, my yoga instructor, my longtime friend, um, I always say she’s a mirror to me. Right? So she’s a mirror to my soul.
[00:28:12] Jenny Swisher: , but the one thing we have in common is she always says, you know, she got into yoga because she wanted to create. Vinyasa yoga, like an intense yoga because she knew there were personalities like hers that wouldn’t be able to rest in Shavasana unless they worked hard. And it resonated with me so much because, and I keep coming back to this idea now, even in my forties of when I was my healthiest, best self, I was finding the balance between that yin and yang for me.
[00:28:41] Jenny Swisher: And so I was almost, I’m going to use the word forcing. I was forcing myself. To, to slow down. Right. Like I was, I was like, yes. I mean, and of course I come from the world of like fitness and, and I mean, I owned a gym at the time and I really had to find this. I had to find the balance because I was from a physical perspective strenuously.
[00:29:02] Jenny Swisher: Exercising and doing all the things. So I had to balance it out. I had to do the slow down. I had to do the legs up the wall, the meditation, the yoga, because I needed that balance in my physical body. But that’s also when I look back at the age of 41, I think, wow, like that. Almost decade was my healthiest decade because I was balancing the two right and I see this much in the women that I teach they come into my program because they want to learn more.
[00:29:30] Jenny Swisher: I call it hormone literacy. They want to learn more about their bodies because certainly modern medicine doctors are not teaching them and oftentimes gaslighting them or they’re not getting answers and so they come in and they want to learn more and they but they also come from this mentality of , feeling like there’s a perfect way.
[00:29:44] Jenny Swisher: And, and I know you kind of said this in the beginning of like, you know, you asked that question of like, what does perfection look like? And so when, when they come in, it’s like, they feel like there’s a wrong way to work out, or there’s a wrong way to eat, or there’s a wrong way for this and that. And I love to say health is individual, right?
[00:29:59] Jenny Swisher: And this is a perfect example for me, If I just finished saying that, like ideal health for me and when I have felt my best has been, when I have found that balance between the two, I have to imagine that that’s true for everyone. So all of my fellow type A mamas out there who are, you know, we are wearing all the hats for our children, our spouses are our aging parents and all the things, and we’re kind of under this stress, right?
[00:30:22] Jenny Swisher: And we’re also putting our own stresses on ourselves of like, there’s a right way to work out and there’s a right way to eat and there’s a, there’s, I’m doing it wrong, or whatever, right? Like there’s all these pressures a lot of times. It’s the slowdown for us that’s needed, right? And I see the opposite being true.
[00:30:36] Jenny Swisher: I also work with women who come from a more Physically, literally sedentary perspective. Like they sit a lot. They, they, they err on the side of rest where I might not, right. Like they’re on the opposite end of the spectrum and we have to kind of get them moving. So I love this idea of just yin and yang and like finding that balance between the two.
[00:30:55] Jenny Swisher: I also think it makes sense kind of coming back to what you were saying about transitioning, you know, in the perimenopause to menopause. Timeframe, I’ll call it our forties for most of us. , because I’ve heard this multiple times, like women who I know who are a generation ahead of me will say, all of a sudden I have zero F’s left to give.
[00:31:14] Jenny Swisher: Like, I just no longer care. Like, like you were saying, like, I just don’t give a shit anymore. This is about me. Right. And so all of a sudden we see boundaries become a thing. Right. Everybody right now is into the let them book by Mel Robbins. Right. Like, that’s the new thing. Like, let them, you know, it’s, and I love it.
[00:31:29] Jenny Swisher: I agree with it. But at the same time, like when we don’t. Embrace that sort of new phase of life or that transition. I can see where it can kind of hold us back. So tell us more about just when it comes to women’s health in particular, you know, menopause, but also just struggles that we face. , what, what do you see most often?
[00:31:48] Jenny Swisher: And what could my listeners learn from you with that?
[00:31:51] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Yeah, well, you know, you were kind of talking about cancer before. I’m going to sort of tie this together because there’s an interesting connection between cancer, the disease and cancer, the Zodiac sign. These are, universal energies and they resonate with, with each other.
[00:32:07] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: This is sort of like an alchemical astrological principle. So the, the cancer is ruled by the moon and the moon rules the mother. So very feminine energy. And in cancer. There is a loss of the self. So when there’s a loss of the self, you know, you could say that, well, it invites this invasion of foreign energies, foreign invaders, where these cancer cells come in and they take over because there’s a loss of the self, you know, when the house is empty, you know, critters come into the house.
[00:32:40] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And so that’s one aspect of, of cancer. It’s also one aspect of, of the unbalanced feminine energy. And, um, Another aspect of this is, does have to do with control. So when we talk about cancer, the illness. , Control is, is a primary factor of wanting to be in control and that, that energy, you know, you might say there’s idea of compensation.
[00:33:15] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So there’s this denial of the self, there’s a problem with the self in cancer and, and this is largely true for women. , and so there’s a compensation to control. Um, like I deny myself and therefore I need to get what I need by controlling my reality. Instead of just like taking out the middle man, the middle person and just being like zero Fs to give or not for me or no thank you or yes this is me.
[00:33:51] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Then I need to kind of control my environment to get what I need. So control is an aspect, it’s a secondary aspect of the cancer treatment. Um, what we call in homeopathy, we call it a miasm. It’s a sort of like the whole personality of the illness. No, no, you know, the mental, emotional stuff and the hereditary stuff, and not just the physical manifestations, you know, also when you’re talking about rest.
[00:34:20] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So, when we’re busy, busy, busy inside of the of a person’s inability to rest is, isn’t this the absence of the self? Because ultimately, when you rest, what are you contacting? You’re, you’re actually sitting with yourself and yourself alone. And if a person has been in denial of themselves for so long. Then it’s very uncomfortable for them to just rest.
[00:34:47] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So what they’re encountering or what they’re trying to avoid or what they don’t want to face is themselves the most vital, beautiful, wonderful aspect. Of themself is there’s their own self. It sounds funny, but it’s true. So in going into the, the role of nurturer when the, when the self is denied, then we have this problem to just sit in the balance of not doing because we’re doing, doing, doing, doing for everyone, then not doing, you must face the self.
[00:35:23] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And so. Again, we’ve come down to the question, well, , what led this woman in particular in these examples to be avoiding or not comfortable with herself. And there’s lots of different possibilities. Some is, you know, as a child be seen and not heard if a, if a woman was raised in that generation, you know, children should be seen and not heard.
[00:35:47] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So I shouldn’t be seen. I shouldn’t be heard. I deny my own feelings. And this is very common in America is to deny one’s own feelings, to pull up your socks, you know, get over it already. You know, don’t cry. So all these denial of feelings, denial of emotion, which leads to a core belief that what I feel, what I think, what I have to say, doesn’t matter.
[00:36:12] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Aka I don’t matter. I shouldn’t think of myself. And I therefore go into this active externalization of service to others. So the whole, it becomes all about this feminine role and not about this balanced human being of I give when I, when I, when it’s right. When it feels right to me when it’s right for the other person, because sometimes we give and it’s not even right for the other person.
[00:36:41] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: They need to get off their butt. They need to do something for themselves. Right? So, so I give I give I give, but then I don’t I deny myself. And that’s a big problem. That is actually a pattern of cancer as well as a pattern of the imbalance feminine.
[00:36:57] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, that’s that’s really cool. And I mean. I love these connections. And I just, I am thinking about just my own story. Like as we’re chatting, I’m thinking through like my own personal struggles because I, I think, for me, you know, and I remember my dad saying this one time. So background. So my mom was, , a home ec teacher.
[00:37:18] Jenny Swisher: And then when I was born, she stayed home. So she stayed home with me and my brother. And of course my dad faced his health challenges when I was 12 and all that kind of stuff. But I remember my dad saying this to me one time in my twenties, he said, my mom and I were arguing about just what she thought I should be doing and what I was doing like career wise and everything.
[00:37:37] Jenny Swisher: And I remember him saying something like, she doesn’t understand because she didn’t have the same like motives and desires, right? And so for my mom, it, it was all about like wanting to be the caretaker of the family and wanting to stay home and wanting to be a mom. And I see this, I, you know, I, I see this even today with some friends of mine as well.
[00:37:58] Jenny Swisher: And for me, I’ve always wanted to be a mom, but I’ve also had this like weird career ambition, like that I just, I’m an achiever and I want to. And we’re not saying she didn’t have that, but for her, like. Success to her looked like being home, right? And success to me looked like being home, but also, also pursuing, you know, sort of a mission.
[00:38:18] Jenny Swisher: , and so we’ve kind of always buttheads there, right? And so that’s the backstory, but fast forward to becoming a mom, right? And so I won’t go into that whole story, but I’ve shared it before. My oldest daughter, really, both of my daughters fell into our lap through the beauty of adoption, and we had not pursued adoption.
[00:38:35] Jenny Swisher: I was adopted at birth myself. It was something that I already I had kind of put it into the universe, but we, we never pursued it. And it just was sort of a happenstance thing. I was actually contacted on social media, um, about my, about my oldest, but regardless, God had plans. I believe for me to become a mother to, to my daughters.
[00:38:53] Jenny Swisher: And when I stepped into that role, let’s just be real. Like I had a massive, Like, I went from owning a gym, creating my own schedule. You know, I would teach bootcamp classes at 5 a. m. and 6 p. m. In the middle of my day, I could do whatever I wanted. I could shop. I could work at my computer. I could go on a walk.
[00:39:10] Jenny Swisher: I could, you know, whatever. And when Ellery came along, um, It was a big transition, right? My husband continued teaching school. So I was home with her full time all of a sudden, right? If, if baby doesn’t nap or child doesn’t nap, like you got to cancel that call that you had planned, right? Or, or the things that you want to do no longer become what you want to do.
[00:39:30] Jenny Swisher: So your priorities shift, right? And so my priorities shifted. And I remember actually when she was probably three or four years old, really going through kind of like this really frustrating time where I felt like I had so much in me to give toward a career. But I was in, like, toddler art classes, right?
[00:39:48] Jenny Swisher: So I’m like, how do I create more hours in my day? And I remember a friend telling me, like, you know, and I, and I do have this perspective of like, these years are fleeting. Right? Like I’m going to look back when I’m 75 and be like, Oh my gosh, like, I wish I would have been more present in those moments because you only get them once.
[00:40:05] Jenny Swisher: Right? And so I always say, God gave us our second child so that I could slow down and really appreciate and see the beauty in that. But I think, I think about it from just this, as you’re talking and I think about how like. You know, we’re getting ready to be into a season where both of our kids will be in school.
[00:40:22] Jenny Swisher: Right. So all of a sudden now, like my time gets a little bit more freed up. Right. And I think through to what, what will it be in 10 years? Right. When my kids are going off to college and all that. And, and that sort of menopausal transition. , and I can’t help it. Like, no wonder there is so much. We start to see, uh, You know, I think I read recently that women spend approximately 25 percent of our lives in poor health and usually after the age of 45, we start to see issues creep up with things like osteoporosis, you know, cardiovascular disease, Alzheimer’s, right?
[00:40:53] Jenny Swisher: And we’re now starting to see hormonal connections to those things. But you think about like, The aging woman. If you think about my story and how it will evolve, right. I can totally see why like stepping, stepping into now the next transition of my life is to challenge. Cause now it’s like, well, I just got used to this one.
[00:41:11] Jenny Swisher: You know what I mean? Like I just got used to like being the mom, the caretaker and the nurturer. And now. I have to kind of reenter. It’s almost like I’m reentering my twenties 2. 0, right? So no wonder that all of a sudden we shed the F’s and we know they were like, no, like, this is my this is I don’t want to say my last chance, but this is my chance.
[00:41:28] Jenny Swisher: This is my chance to boundary up. This is my chance to do the thing that I meant to do. I always say this is you 2. 0 right when you enter this phase. So. I, I love this and hearing you kind of talk about it from the more, um, and I love that you even mentioned the moon energy, cause my ladies are so used to me talking about moon energy and menstrual cycles.
[00:41:45] Jenny Swisher: , but I think it’s so much just. It’s a beautiful thing when you can step out of it, like, and you take a look at, like, the 60, 000 foot view, it all starts to make sense. Right? And I think that’s what we’ve been able to do here today is to say, what is this energy? And how can, how can I really accept and acknowledge that this is, this is what’s happening?
[00:42:05] Jenny Swisher: And in order to be my best self. Perhaps maybe insert right insert answer. Maybe I need to slow down or maybe I need , to really realize, you know, what I’m going through. So, um, 1 thing that I wanted to also just touch on is this idea of healing. I know that you’ve created a healing program. , what does that look like?
[00:42:21] Jenny Swisher: I mean, how does 1 heal from those false beliefs that maybe we’ve been carrying for too long?
[00:42:27] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Yes, yes. So what I, what I’ve developed over my 25 years of practice is what I call the Vista dialogue. And I offer personal healing for people that want to, you know, work through that. I also have trained practitioners.
[00:42:43] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: , healthcare practitioners. I’m not, I don’t only train practitioners. If somebody is, is a practitioner of yoga or meditation or and they have this sort of training in consciousness or something like that, I’ll definitely consider them for the program. So, I, I practice that that’s how I practice as a doctor and that’s also how I train people in a 1 year certification program where I show.
[00:43:10] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Thank you. People how to do the beast dialogue, which is a process of asking questions to get deeper and deeper to help the person see for themselves what’s dwelling in their subconscious mind. And then to move from recognition, the recognition phase into the resolution phase. They’re different. First, we’re just exploring through questions and then we’re We’re exploring on how to release through more specific kinds of questions in the resolution phase.
[00:43:41] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So, first, we want to identify what what false beliefs we are carrying. And we can, we can do that just by with self inquiry, just by mindfulness, just by learning, creating a little app in the back of the mind that monitors what we’re thinking in different situations. It doesn’t take all that much effort, but it does take persistence and consistency.
[00:44:03] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: You have to be consistent with it to recognize the thoughts. So let’s say, you know, you meet uncle X or aunt Y. And they piss you off, right? The things they say piss you off. So that’s an opportunity to say, well, what, okay, I’m feeling pissed off, but what am I thinking? What are my thoughts about it? So you sit with it and again, stillness is a very good invitation, right?
[00:44:29] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: To you sit with those thoughts and you ask the question, what is making me upset right now? What makes me so angry about what they say? Because no matter how jerkish or controlling or false or manipulative or deceitful people are in our lives, if it affects us, it’s always because of something that’s lurking inside of us.
[00:44:54] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Otherwise you’d be detached, you’d be water off a duck’s back. You would observe them, ideally with compassion and love and acceptance for their issues. They’ve been wounded. They’re not in a good place. So if it affects us, then we can ask that question. Well, what’s, what’s making this affect me. And that’s really empowering actually, for a person to go from feeling like a victim in, in, you know, people’s energy fields and what they say and do to recognizing if this is upsetting me, it’s, there’s a reason it’s upsetting me.
[00:45:30] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: And it has to do with a false perception of reality. So I train, I train people. , there’s a new cohort starting in March, March 5th to the 7th is the 1st course. There’s 3 courses in the program and then there’s 1 on 1s that you also have in the program. And if somebody is interested in having a look at that, they can, they could go to holistic with with no W.
[00:45:56] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: So just holistic counseling with 1L. ca that’s the program of training. And then if they’re interested in, in, for their own personal health, they could just go to dr. dr moshe, M O S H E dot com. And then they could set up a consult with me if they’re interested.
[00:46:18] Jenny Swisher: Perfect. I love that.
[00:46:20] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Thank you.
[00:46:20] Jenny Swisher: We’ll link all that up in the show notes for you guys as well.
[00:46:23] Jenny Swisher: I know that you also have a certification program, so we’ll make sure that we get all of those details for people in the show notes. Yeah. Thank you so much. One of the things that I teach in my courses and in my content is what I call the five fundamentals of hormone balance and specific to women, again, kind of circling back to this idea of a lot of things we, you know, false beliefs, but also one of those false beliefs for the majority of women is diet culture, right?
[00:46:47] Jenny Swisher: Wanting to, we fall victim to what everybody else is doing as opposed to taking a deeper look at ourselves.
[00:46:52] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: Right. Right.
[00:46:53] Jenny Swisher: And of just realizing that health is individual, right. And that goes for both your body and your mind and to be able to go deeper. Um, and you know, one of our fundamentals is, is managing our traumas, being able to go deeper and to really kind of establish like why you are the way you are.
[00:47:09] Jenny Swisher: Right. I, my, my good friend, Natalie, Rachel has a book called why am I like this? Right. I always refer to that, like, why are you like this? Like, and for me, it’s been, it’s been huge. Right. Like. Just understanding. Yes, like my genetic test says I have these gene mutations and that makes sense for my physical body.
[00:47:25] Jenny Swisher: But who am I from a mind body connection? Like, how did I get to where I am? And how, why am I who I am at 41? So I think when women go deeper on that, and when they can really, You know, hone into this conversation that we’re having about, you said, recognition to resolution, but, you know, this awareness, like, if you can have this self awareness, it’s a game changer in your health.
[00:47:47] Jenny Swisher: I’ve seen women do the things I’ve seen women do, you know, proper strength training and, and dial in their nutrition, so to speak, and even bio individually supplement themselves for their deficiencies. And I’ve seen them even prioritize their sleep and they come to me and they’re like, I’m still stuck.
[00:48:02] Jenny Swisher: And I know that they’re stuck because their mind is stuck. Right. And it’s that factor, um, that makes your program so powerful. So again, my friends, we will link everything up in the show notes. Um, thank you so much for being here for taking the time to chat with my audience. We may have to have you back another time for a part two, but we will.
[00:48:22] Jenny Swisher: My
[00:48:22] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: pleasure. Yeah. My pleasure. Thank you so much. I wanted to add something for you to investigate. This idea, hormone imbalances, the, the two hormones, the two main hormones in a woman’s hormonal field, there’s estrogen and progesterone. And estrogen tends to be the yang, and progesterone is the yin. So for a, for a woman’s,
[00:48:48] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: The body doesn’t make problems up the conventional model is to say, there’s something wrong with the body. We have to fix the body. It’s not true. The mind is sets the field. The emotion reflects the mind and then the body reflects those. So, if a woman has estrogen problem, excess. Or a progesterone, a lack of progesterone.
[00:49:10] Dr. Moshe Daniel Bloth: What are her masculine and feminine energies doing? It’s, it’s a worthy investigation to look at.
[00:49:17] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. I love that. I love that. And I mean, that’s, you’re, you’re telling my story. I was progesterone deficient in my twenties and thirties and, um, estrogen dominance. And now we’re kind of seeing that shift even, you know, in investigating the migraines and everything, we’re seeing a little bit of that shift.
[00:49:32] Jenny Swisher: So We may have to have you back on just to talk about like sex hormones specifically and how this is all for women. But I’ve enjoyed, I’ve enjoyed this interview. We’ll have to stay in touch my friend, but my friends will have everything linked up for you in the show notes. Thank you so much for tuning in and we’ll talk next time.
[00:49:48] Jenny Swisher: Bye bye.