320 – SYNCPodcast_AdrenalHealingJenXanders
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Jenny Swisher: [00:00:00] Hello, ladies. [00:01:00] Happy Monday. I can’t believe we’re mid-April already. It’s me, Jenny. Welcome to our Saint community. If you are new here, I know we have a few new course takers, so if this is all new to you, welcome to the community. I. I’m gonna be joined by my good friend Jen Xanders here shortly. This is her first time going live with me here in the community.

So give us just a minute here as we get set up. But we’re gonna be talking today all about, uh, adrenal Healing. We’re gonna be talking about our new program that launched to our monthly and annual members. We’re gonna be talking about nervous system regulation. We’re gonna be talking why this matters for our health, and I’m super excited about this.

all right, friends. Jen is here. Thanks. Sorry for the technical difficulties. We are gonna chat with you guys a little bit today about just our Adrenal Healing program, what we have in store for you.

I know some of you guys, you guys have already started the program. We’re getting great feedback from people, people commenting on. I love when you guys comment on the workouts themselves because it helps me know like which ones you’re doing and what you’re loving about them and your takeaways from those.

So, um, I love that. A, a [00:02:00] reminder to you, ’cause I have been getting some questions from people, people have been asking, like, how do I access this? Well, this is available to our monthly and annual members. So if you’re someone who came into sync a year or two, three years ago, um, awesome. You have lifetime access to the sync course.

But if you want access to the fitness, if you want access to adrenal healing, that’s something that you’re gonna have to invest in a monthly or annual membership. Four so that you can get access to that stuff. The annual membership includes all of our educational courses, both that we already have and those that are being created.

And then we also have, like I said, the fitness piece from both Jen and Kelsey. So I wanna talk specifically about like why we created this program, why it even exists, who it’s for. Um, and then also just help you guys understand the importance of prioritizing our nervous system when it comes to our health.

I mean, this isn’t new news for you. You guys have heard me talk about this both through the podcast and through the course and everything else. But being able to, um, sit in on so many consults, literally hundreds of [00:03:00] consults alongside Dr. Page with so many of you who are feeling frustrated because.

Either you’re frustrated with your body or you’re frustrated with your energy level, or you’re, you’re having trouble sleeping, or you’re in a stressful environment, or you’re going through perimenopause and you’re experiencing all these weird changes. Um, that, that’s specifically who this is for. The, the woman who’s feeling very burned out, the, the woman who’s struggling, um, with her energy levels.

And when we launched the course in 2020. It. Uh, ultimately in the beginning it was, I wanted to teach, you know, women in their fertile years how to cycle sink, how to harness the, the leverage, um, harness and leverage the, the power of your, your highs and lows when it comes to your hormones. Quickly, we learned that women needed more than that, right?

No woman has a textbook 28 day menstrual cycle where. Cycle thinking, you know, is just perfect for them. So it, it’s instead became, how can we help women dig deeper in their functional wellness? Like, how can we help them really understand what’s going on for them and advocate for themselves and ask the right questions?

[00:04:00] And very quickly then I started to notice that there were a lot of women, much like me, who embrace exercise and we embrace healthy living. But yet we’re still sort of living in this weird dysregulation, right? And it really does come back to our nervous system and our stress and how we go through our day to day.

So. Um, so this program has been a long time coming because we needed a track for women to follow that wasn’t crazy intense exercise that wasn’t, um, you know, doing all the things and, and still not addressing the nervous system. So, Jen and I have been friends for a long time. We got to know each other. I guess it’s, I don’t even know how long ago, 15 plus years ago, um, Jen was teaching yoga for my corporate employer back in the day of, before I ever got into fitness nutrition when I was.

Struggling, um, with chronic migraines in my twenties. I met Jenny Jen on lunch hour yoga, uh, at Wiley. And things just sort of became, it turned into a friendship, like it [00:05:00] turned into a friendship really quickly. I was really struggling at that time trying to figure out what was going on with me health wise and looking for both relief and also a distraction.

And. Yoga became one of my distractions, as well as exercise, fitness, nutrition through body, you know, uh, beach body workouts and that kind of stuff too. So Jen and I got to be friends, um, have remained friends ever since. And so when the, the topic of how to help women with nervous system regulation came up, Jen was the automatic perfect fit for creating a program like this, because her background is not only in yoga, but just in.

Breath work and really helping people from that nervous system side of things. So Jen, if you could go ahead and just tell our community here just a little bit more about you. Um, we’ll start there and then we’ll talk more about just the nervous system in general and, and why this program can really help.

Jen Xanders: First yoga. I [00:06:00] think has provided myself, you, and so many others, just enough space in our busyness to start to kind of see where. The knots are and see where things are tangled. So like, just enough light to come in to like get off of the treadmill of busyness and, um, doing the same thing over and over and, and not even really like listening to ourselves to open up a conversation that’s much bigger, um, in our overall wellness.

And, um, probably also relevant to share. Um, when Jen and I met Jenny and I, this is gonna be hard. I also, my bus. And I have two gems and a Jenny. Um, but anyway, when we met, we were both, you know, she was in her twenties, I was in my thirties. Um, and I had, um, hormone regulation, um, in my thirties actually before.

And so I had some infertility issues. [00:07:00] And after having my girls, um, my infertility issues opened my eyes really quickly to some things that. I had been experiencing in my dysregulated hormones that I realized, Ooh, this is part of my infertility, but also part of my dysregulation. For example, my migraines were very specific to my progesterone levels for me, okay?

So after I had my girls, instead of just going through the motions of getting back on birth control, which was the solution. At the time, um, I dug in and started researching and started messing around with trying to find a doctor that would help me figure out why things were wonky. And so I started a progesterone, natural progesterone replacement in my thirties, and the world changed.

I had an enormous list of things that I had been experiencing that I thought were normal, [00:08:00] and as soon as I replaced the progesterone, they all disappeared and life was fantastically wonderful for about 10, 12 years. So when perimenopause started and I started having these symptoms again that I had already experienced, I knew.

What was going on. And I feel really fortunate because most people don’t. Yeah. Um, and also most doctors don’t. Um, they just aren’t taught. So, um, I am much on the same page with Jen that, um, you know, my eyes were really open. But I will say on the flip side, we’re so programmed, and this is where the nervous system comes in.

My hormones were regulated ish. I was working on it, but like my normal fitness wasn’t working. Like I didn’t feel good. I didn’t feel good in my body. My body was inflamed. And so what most of us do is, oh, I’ll do it harder, [00:09:00] um, and I’ll restrict more. And at that point you realized you’re just stressing yourself even more.

Mm-hmm. So then I became really attuned to, what is it? What’s the perfect? Holding space for us in this stage. ’cause it’s different than it was in our twenties and thirties. And I’m surrounded by people that are in this exact same scenario. And so I’ve been doing a deep dive into like, what do we need to do?

What’s that space look like? It’s different than it used to be. And how can we feel? Empowered, how can we feel good? How can we feel balanced? How can we feel, um, vibrant? How can we feel our best? And so that’s a bit of a long story, but probably relevant because Jen and I have known each other through these stages and it’s, you know, it’s, it’s important.

Um, and I think it’s why we’re both here at this time. Yeah,

Jenny Swisher: for sure. So, I mean, a lot of these ladies here in the community know that, you know, [00:10:00] I share my story often about just how I came into functional wellness and how things for me started with that chronic migraine. Um, which eventually also turned into infertility and other things as well.

But when, when, you know, when I was, I remember specifically being on a walk with you. Um, and I share, I share this story when I give my keynoting and everything else, I share this story ’cause I’m like. It was so foreshadowing of, of what I do now. Right. Because you literally were like, you can’t give up.

Like you have to be your own best doctor and you’ve gotta, you’ve gotta just see this one more person. Right. And so you were ultimately the person who led me to the right functional doctor, which. This community, it’s not news too, to hear that. Like, guess what? You could even be seeing a functional doctor or a naturopathic doctor and they’re still not the right doctor.

So, um, at this point in my journey, I was like five years into chronic migraines. I had fluorescent lighting knocked out above my cubicle at work. I had gone on disability, I had tried neck surgeries, I had done all the things and. The idea of one more [00:11:00] doctor was literally like an eye roll. Like I was like, there’s, I’m not getting any help from any doctors.

Right? And so it was such a huge moment for me and my story because it really foreshadowed both two things. One, the importance of still. Continuing that journey until you do get in the right hands of the right person. But also the importance of self-advocacy and the importance of really just doing the work on your own body.

I call it body literacy, like understanding how my body is designed to feel, because like you said, right, like progesterone filled the hole in your boat, but you didn’t realize you had so many holes in your boat leaking at the time, right? Like migraines kind of take over. So when you have a migraine, like that’s the only thing you’re thinking about.

You’re not thinking about. Anything else, right? And so the same thing was true for me. And so, um, you know, this has been like such a, such a journey because I think we’re literally like 10 years apart. Like, we literally, like our birthdays are almost the same. Like we’re literally 10 years apart. And so I always say like, Jen is almost like my older sister.

Like I feel like we have so much. I’m like, are we like biologically [00:12:00] related? I don’t know. Um, because you’ve literally been like, sort of just like that decade ahead of me to kind of say like, well, this is what I went through and this is what I’ve experienced. Um. And so even just lately in the last few weeks, I’m like, Jen, did you have this?

Did you have this experience? ’cause this is crazy to me, right? So there’s so much to be said here for just the power of not going through changes like this alone and understanding that like your, whatever it is, whether it’s migraine for you or maybe for you, it’s something different and just. Really struggling mentally through this transition or you know, those of you in perimenopause, but it’s so much like the, the, the power of community, the power of just self-advocacy, of getting in the hands of the right doctor.

That’s obviously all the things that we teach here in this program. But Jen has been like my person through this. Right. So you guys have probably heard me reference things that are ultimately Jen over the, over the years. Um. And I’m just, I’m so grateful that you decided to do this with us. So, okay. So I wanna talk specifically about like, because I think the, [00:13:00] the, I’m not gonna, you know, I don’t wanna stereotype ’cause everybody’s here from different angles.

We have some women here who are in their twenties and they’re wanting to just learn more. Or maybe they’re, they know that they eventually want to conceive and, you know, those kinds of things. But they’re doing the work now to understand their body. And then we have women who are over 40, over 50, who are navigating sort of perimenopause, menopause.

And so. One thing that I wanna, you know, one phrase that I’ve been finding myself saying lately is that your nervous system sits at the top of the hierarchy of your health. And so we can’t heal ourselves or exercise our way to hormone balance if we’re living in a dysregulated nervous system, right? Yeah.

And so I wanna talk about that because. You know, in perimenopause, you’re, I hate to say it, but it’s almost like it automatically is kind of happening to you whether you like it or not, because your adrenal glands, which are the little tiny glands that sit above your kidneys, that are responsible for cortisol production and survival, and keeping you alive, um, your whole life.

All of a sudden [00:14:00] now they’re being handed the baton for sex hormones as well by your ovaries. Right? So in perimenopause, those ovaries are slowly retiring. Adrenal glands are starting to become a little extra taxed. So your body, whether you feel stressed or not, whether you have a great job and a great life and you don’t feel stressed, your body is under a certain kind of stress in this transition.

Right? So that’s the first thing I wanna acknowledge. ’cause sometimes women will say to me, well, I don’t, I feel great. Like I’m in a happy marriage. I have this and that. Like I don’t feel stressed. Okay, well, but from a physiologic physiological perspective, your body is shifting and changing. So that’s number one.

But then also, I know for me, like my adrenals came into play way before perimenopause. So in my twenties, right? Late twenties, this was after. So fast forward probably skipped too many parts of our story, Jen. But, um, after Jen and I got to be friends, I ended up leaving corporate book publishing and eventually opened a gym here locally in Indianapolis, um, where I was teaching personal training, like small group personal training.

And [00:15:00] I knew from my own journey with Jen and yoga. And active recovery like type, type philosophies that I knew that my, my clients needed both the intensity of training and also they needed that, the yoga, uh, for multiple reasons. And so Jen was my first trainer at the gym. So we worked together for a few years, like while we owned the gym here in Indianapolis.

And, um. You know, for me personally, like I didn’t know what I didn’t know, so I started feeling better once I got on bioidentical progesterone. Once I started to kind of fill the holes in my boat, I started to feel better and it’s, it’s real easy to start feeling better and then really wanna push yourself.

And that’s exactly what I did. So I went overboard on like, oh my gosh, like I love P 90 X and I love these workouts, and all of a sudden I got really into exercise. Really into the whole world of it all and found myself in adrenal burnout. If you were to look at my cortisol pattern on my saliva test, it was nonexistent.

You know? It was like there was no curve. It was just [00:16:00] flatline, cortisol, and um. And then of course here in the last couple of years, all of a sudden we’re starting to see this cortisol reenter the equation. Interestingly for me, um, I’ve always dealt with it low and now we’re starting to see it high. Guess what?

I’m in perimenopause, so we’re starting to see things fluctuate. So all this to say that nervous system regulation can look like a lot of things. It can look like. You know, cortisol imbalance, um, perimenopause approach to things when you’re not even thinking that’s what it is. When you’re not even thinking that like you’re, you know, you’re mentally feeling sound and, and happy.

Your body could still be in a state of stress. Or we can also look at it from the angle of what I like to call the sandwich generation of women, which are women in their thirties and forties who have kids to care for maybe a career at play. Maybe they’re also caring for aging parents, multiple responsibilities.

Feel, they feel happy. They feel in charge. They feel in control, but their body is kind of under that stress. So let’s talk about nervous system. [00:17:00] Like do you agree it sits at the top of our health hierarchy? And what do you feel most women are neglecting in that regard?

Jen Xanders: We’re talking 2030s or we’re talking forties, fifties.

Um, yes, absolutely. The nervous system is always in charge. It’s taking, sometimes it’s better equipped to rebound than others. We’re just, it’s harder to rebound as we get older ’cause we have emptied the savings account. Um, so to me what yoga can provide is a. Better awareness of the subtleties of how our body gives us the clues of where our nervous system is.

And the more we know it and listen to it, the faster we can adapt overall. For most women that I meet, and Jen can attest to this, um, yes, I teach yoga. Yes, I teach nervous system re um. [00:18:00] Rebalancing. Yes, I do breath work, but do I like hard and do I like hot? And do I like intensity? Absolutely. Absolutely. Um, whether we’re talking in my workout or whether we’re talking like in my day, um, the thing that, those of us that really lean into that at times that served us.

But if we’re people that like hard and hot and intensity, we need to equally pri prioritize. Hard space for rest and most of us don’t like that. Mm-hmm. And so finding invite rest, um, on the daily, uh, because what happens is if we are just amping the system up all day long, even when we go to sleep, it doesn’t reset because it can’t, it’s on overdrive.

And one of the ways that we can start to really listen to what’s happening in our nervous system is how are we sleeping? [00:19:00] And if we’re waking up multiple times, if, you know, we’re not probably in a balanced place where rest is really

Jenny Swisher: happening.

Jen Xanders: Mm-hmm. Um, another is, you know, how is our, how is our appetite?

Are we hungry? Are we not hungry? Are we reasonably hungry? I mean, sometimes we’re over hungry ’cause we’re over training. Um, and then. Do we have a sex drive? I mean, it’s a real question. And if the sex drive is like on the back burner, then it very likely you’re overworking those adrenals or your hormones are out of balance and, and really as simple and as, as that is, those are some important big level questions to ask.

Then on the day to day, it can be, how’s my breathing? Am I holding my breath? Am I breathing through my mouth? Um, and how is my stomach, how’s my digestion? [00:20:00] Um, you know, am I, I mean, not to be, I, I feel like I can be me here. There’s nothing off the table. Like are we constantly con, constipated, um, or are you having regular bowel movements?

It’s an important indication of where your nervous system is

Jenny Swisher: residing.

Jen Xanders: Mm-hmm. Um, how quick is your fuse to go off? If your fuse is like zero to a hundred, you’re probably like teetering right there in that fight situation. Yeah. So learning to like listen to these subtle things that your body is telling you over and over and over again, um, is what yoga

Jenny Swisher: invites.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, and I think, I think it’s important too to say that like. I know. So my original perception of yoga, right? Like way back when I first started, when I first tried that corporate bunch hour yoga, was I really thought it was gonna be like touching my toes and flexibility, right? And so I really was like, okay, [00:21:00] well this will be like a stretching class, right?

And I. I learned very quickly in that first session, especially with Jen, that that’s not at all what it is. And it’s not even really, you can’t even really call it a slowdown necessarily. Um, it’s just a different challenge. Right. And that’s what drew me to it in the very beginning, was I felt so frustrated in it because it, it required.

Focus. It was the perfect distraction, uh, for me, like from the migraines because I remember thinking I’m, and I told you this before, I remember leaving that first class with you and going back to my desk at work, and all I could think about was how, for the first time in a really long time, I had an hour where I didn’t think about how bad my head hurt and.

For someone that was dealing with chronic pain, right? It was like, wow, this is different. Like this. This was the distraction that I was looking for, right? But it’s a distraction in the way that you have to focus on what you’re doing. You have to focus on your, your breathing. You have to focus on where you are.

You’re not, you’re not doing high knees, you’re not doing a million pushups. You’re [00:22:00] not grabbing the next set of weights, right? There’s no, it’s, it, it requires you to be dialed in in a certain way. So it’s not really. It’s a slowdown, but not a slowdown. Like it’s really hard to describe. So for me it was, it drew me in because it was a challenge in the fact that it was, it was against what my body wanted to do.

Like my body wanted to go faster, like you said, the intensity, the heat, like I wanted to go toward that. But at the same time it was like, wait a minute, then why is this so hard for me? Like, why is it so hard for me to slow down? Why is it so hard for me to lay still? Right? And I, and I do hear this from so many women, I find that not always, but the majority of the time, women who are into exercise, women who are embraced this sort of like wanna be healthier lifestyle, we do tend to be a little bit more on type A.

We, we do wanna kind of be more in control, right? And so the slow down. Um, it’s hard. It’s hard because we have, we have to change it up, but my encouragement would be whatever it is you’re resisting is [00:23:00] most likely what you need. Right. And I find myself saying that all the time, and I, I am even saying that to myself because it’s very, very hard for me to lay still, even after Jen’s class.

Like even after a more rigorous yoga class, it’s really hard for me to quiet my mind, right? Like meditation, breath work, all the things that, those things don’t come easily to me. I would actually, um. You know, beg to argue that most people, it probably doesn’t, like most people have just become better at the practice of it, um, as opposed to being good at it, right?

Like, it’s hard for everyone. So, um, all that to say, this is not gonna be something where you’re like, you know, literally not moving, touching your toes. Like, we’re not slowing you down to that, to that degree. In fact, I think you’ll find it as sort of a welcome challenge. It’s a, it’s a, it’s an athletic challenge, um, that I think a lot of us need.

Yeah. And,

Jen Xanders: um, and kind of give you a little bit of an overview as well. I mean, yoga encapsulates not just movement, but [00:24:00] it encapsulates, um, it, it encapsulates a lot of things, um, including breath work, including meditation. They all fall under that heading, but the whole premise is how can you best. Embody yourself.

How can you best be present? Like, it, it, it is less, I mean, Jen was calling it, Jenny was calling it a distraction, but really it’s an invitation into the present

Jenny Swisher: moment.

Jen Xanders: Mm-hmm. Because thinking about something here or there is all not being right here, right now. Yeah. Most people dunno how to do that.

Mm-hmm. Because we don’t. Practice it and gosh knows our, our environment is about constant

Jenny Swisher: distraction.

Jen Xanders: Hmm. So, um, yoga’s intended to bring us into the present moment. Mm-hmm. The breath work, the meditation, even [00:25:00] long holds in the movement or the challenge. They’re all about focus and concentration and presence.

And in that place is where we can really see the whole thing. Mm-hmm. You know? ’cause when we’re constantly distracted, here’s an analogy that in one of my favorite yoga books, that the practice, when you look into a body of water that’s been disturbed, it’s all fragmented and you can’t see the reflection.

Mm-hmm. Right? But when the body of water is still. You can see the perfect reflection of things as they

Jenny Swisher: are.

Jen Xanders: Mm-hmm. And this may speak to you right now, and this may be like way out there, but the point is it you just do the movement and it, you do the breath work you do, it’s all a practice. None of it’s perfect.

People that do it the most probably are the busiest minded people,

Jenny Swisher: you know?

Jen Xanders: Mm-hmm. But that doesn’t mean that at the end of the day, the [00:26:00] body of water isn’t just a little bit clearer. And that the reflection is a little more accurate. And then that also is this invitation into like, what’s going on in this thing of mine, in my head, in my body, all of those things.

Um, so that I can show up as my best self.

Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Is that too out there? No, it’s good. It really, like, the word that comes to my mind is just like centeredness, right? Like bringing you back to sort of just, I mean, that intentionality and, and, and all that kind of stuff. That’s great. I, so I wanna say this to, um, to the members listening here.

We have a series of four total yoga workouts. We call them vinyasa flows. One is more restorative approach. It’s heading into your, um, menstrual cycle week. So your PMS week, if you are cycle syncing, this program, you don’t have to, which I’ll touch on here shortly. Um, we also have different somatic exercises, things that you can use just for downregulation, so things that you can use in your toolbox, right?

Things that you can [00:27:00] repeat. Um, things like what you, you guys have heard me talk about legs up the wall. We finally have like a 10 minute. Encapsulation of Jen doing legs up the wall. You can learn it and then take it with you on the go, right? You can do that with you. You can take it with you and do it.

Like I do it every night before I go to bed. I usually, you know, literally put my kids to bed and then I do legs up the wall every single night. It just becomes part of your habits, right? So we want you guys to take these tools and use them. It’s not just about a calendar. So you guys have heard me say it’s not calendar conditioning.

Yes, I’ve created a calendar for you. ’cause I know people are gonna ask, what’s the best way to do this? In alignment with my cycle, we do kind of lead you into more restoration heading into your period week. Otherwise this could be followed. Start to finish. Like if you don’t have a cycle, if you’re post menopause, whatever you can follow this day, one through 30.

The purpose of the calendar is really just because, um, you guys asked for those. Otherwise, just follow your own energy and, and then use the different videos that we have, um, to add to your toolbox. And our plan is to create more. Our plan is to create more of those tools for you, [00:28:00] um, here in the coming months as well.

So I. So that’s all part of this. It’s not just, it’s, I didn’t want you guys to come away with this thinking that this is just some sort of like fitness program. ’cause that’s not at all what it is. Um, we do have obviously the yoga and the, um, somatic exercises from Jen. We also have some centric lifting from Kelsey.

The reason for that being that you can lift weights in a way that is, is serving your nervous system, right? Like you can exercise in a way that’s serving your nervous system. The um. You know, crossing the aerobic threshold, like the high intensity, the zone three, cardio, those types of things, usually not serving your, not serving your nervous system doesn’t mean we can’t do it on occasion or that it’s not beneficial to us for our metabolism.

But if we’re in a state of adrenal burnout, we’ve gotta, again, prioritize our nervous system. So we have some lifts in here from Kelsey. Um, they’re a slower tempo, right? That’s, that’s the whole idea. But we’re still doing time under tension. We’re still giving you that. Burn, so to speak. [00:29:00] So, but in addition to that, I’ve created 11 videos for you where I’m teaching you about adrenal fatigue, also known as HPA, access dysregulation or dysfunction, helping you understand that like.

We can’t heal from this until you kind of do a little bit of the deeper work, right? Like, because a lot of women will will say to me, okay, well I’ve gotten my Dutch test back. Or I’m, I’m in adrenal burnout, I’m in perimenopause. My cortisol is X, Y, Z. What do I need to do? What are the best supplements to take?

That’s the question I get. What are the best supplements to take? The best supplements for you to take? To take your shoes off and walk outside in the bare, barefoot in the grass to do, to do some somatic exercises that we’re teaching you here and to really get sort of, I hate to say in control of your nervous system, but that’s really what I mean, because there’s ashwagandha, there’s different things that we can use, adaptogenic herbs that we can use.

There’s supplements, there’s all these things. But at the end of the day, if you’re in a stressful environment, if your body is kind of going through a transition, whatever the case is. It, you can’t supplement your way [00:30:00] there, right? Like it’s, it’s really about where is this coming from, what are the deeper roots here, and how can I go deeper?

So I’ve created 11 videos for you in the program as well, where we do that work and I, or I teach you that kind of stuff, as well as how to go about testing, what to ask your doctor, stuff like that. So, um, I just wanted to mention that because a lot of people will, that’s the number one question I get is, oh, I’m an adrenal burnout.

Like, what are the best herbs to use? Or what are the best supplements to use? And it’s like, well, there’s so much more than that. Um, and there’s so much more to this than movement as well. Like, it, it really, really is just about going deeper. And I wanna just mention this, Dr. Sarah Gottfried has a book called The Autoimmune Cure.

It talks a lot more in it about. Um, just sort of midlife than it does. I mean, there, there’s a lot about autoimmunity, but it’s also just about midlife. And it’s really interesting because she’s one of the first, if not the first doctor and researcher to present us with the data on how childhood trauma and trauma in our, in our, in our past [00:31:00] resurfaces in midlife a lot of times during perimenopause.

So there’s, I don’t know the statistic off the top of my head, but I know it’s well over 40% of. Autoimmune cases that present in perimenopause are tied back to like childhood trauma, like unresolved childhood trauma. It’s so crazy. Right. So we’re, we don’t have time for that today on this live stream, but maybe we can have Jen back to talk more about like, traumas and, and, and, and how that factors in.

But you guys know that we added that fifth fundamental of hormone balance, uh, over a year ago to the course, right? Understanding our traumas, understanding this sort of emotional. Um, mental health side of our, of our life, right? Like, it’s not just about our physical body. It’s going so much deeper. And I think that this is a, this program is a great introduction to, to getting there, right?

Like doing this type of, um, deeper work, doing this kind of slowdown, doing this kind of. Self-evaluation is, is really gonna be helpful for that. So. Thank you guys so much for tuning into this.

Jen, thanks for doing [00:32:00] this, All right guys, have a good afternoon and have a great week.

Talk soon.