313 – SYNCPodcast_MichelleJorgensen

[00:00:00] Jenny Swisher: Welcome friends to this episode of the sync your life podcast. I am super excited to have one of my favorite guests from the show back on Dr. Michelle Jorgensen. I’ll have to link up for you guys in the show notes our previous interviews where we’ve we have dived deep into oral health as root cause medicine.

[00:01:13] Jenny Swisher: We’ve also touched on just sustainable living. And today we’re going to go. into her new book. We’re going to talk about some new things she’s already told me she’s going to rock my world, uh, when it comes to talking about cellular health. But Dr. Michelle Jorgensen’s journey really began when she became seriously ill from mercury exposure from practicing traditional dentistry.

[00:01:30] Jenny Swisher: This led her to change the way that she approached the dental care that she provided for others and her own health. She returned to school and became a BCHHP, which is a board certified holistic health practitioner and therapeutic nutritional counselor working to seamlessly integrate medicine and dentistry.

[00:01:45] Jenny Swisher: For a decade, she has pioneered health based dentistry at Total Care Dental and Wellness in Utah, attracting patients from around the globe. Wanting to share what she was doing to live well personally, she founded Living Well with Dr. Michelle, providing products, information, and practical solutions for crucial topics in the world today.

[00:02:01] Jenny Swisher: Along with being a busy mom and grandma, she loves to teach, write, cook, and garden, and believes the earth provides all we need to live well. So again, one of my favorite guests, probably one of the most, um, shared podcasts I find. I need to just have a quick link handy in my phone because I send it out all the time for people.

[00:02:17] Jenny Swisher: But I’m so excited to have you back, Dr. Michelle. Thank you for joining us.

[00:02:20] Michelle Jorgensen: Well, thank you for allowing me to I’m excited to be here.

[00:02:23] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. So tell us, I guess, you know what you’re up to because, uh, I want an update. It’s been a couple of years since you’ve been on the show and I know you’re kind of diving deeper into cellular health, which I’m excited to talk about, but kind of give us a catch up.

[00:02:36] Michelle Jorgensen: Yeah, you know, I have shared so much about dentistry and about how dentistry connects and correlates with overall health. I’ve shared my story in the past. I shared it, you know, with your audience, how I got sick from drilling out mercury fillings. You know, I’ve done a lot of that, sharing about all of that, but I’ve never actually shared about how I got better.

[00:02:59] Michelle Jorgensen: And how really we dig in and help people get better outside of, you know, obviously helping with their dentistry. And that’s what I decided. It was time that I do was share those things. And it’s been a journey for me. I thought I was going to be doing one thing and it’s turned out to be something completely different.

[00:03:22] Michelle Jorgensen: And really it was the path that I needed to be on. So it’s, Not what I expected to be sharing or doing, but I’ve now found that my mission is to help people live well, not just their teeth, not just that, but how do you really live well? And this is the most common complaint I hear. And I’m sure you hear as well, is that I just, I don’t feel well.

[00:03:47] Michelle Jorgensen: And when you don’t feel well, you’re not living well. You can’t really live your life to your full potential. So what does it mean to live well? And often we’re so frustrated because we feel like we have to outsource that to someone. We have to have a practitioner, a provider, a, you know, a doctor, a somebody that can help us.

[00:04:06] Michelle Jorgensen: We have to do this. We have to take blood tests and you know, x rays and whatever it might be. And what I found is that we actually can bring all of this wellness home and we can help ourselves to really take back that into our own hands. And that’s what the book’s all about. So I’m excited to share.

[00:04:24] Jenny Swisher: We’re going beyond just dentistry and oral health and everything, which makes total sense given your passions for nutrition and food and all the things. So um, yeah. Yeah, so this is, this is good stuff. So I want you to tell us, you know, what does it mean to live well? Because I, I totally agree with you. I mean, I always say women that listen to my show and come into my courses, they have their check engine lights flashing.

[00:04:46] Jenny Swisher: They’re low on energy and they don’t know where to turn because modern medicine is telling them their labs are normal and, or, you know, they’re gaslighting them into thinking it’s just all in their head or it’s part of aging. So I love this idea of really helping people age well or live well. Um, for me, I translate that to energy.

[00:05:02] Jenny Swisher: You know, what is your energy on a daily basis? So tell us, like, what is your definition of living well? And what is the first step in the process to living well?

[00:05:11] Michelle Jorgensen: You couldn’t be more right on. And that’s actually a tagline on the book is how to have unlimited energy, because this isn’t this isn’t often misunderstood part of the way our body works.

[00:05:25] Michelle Jorgensen: You know, when you start talking in alternative care about energy, Sometimes I start to get the eye rolls. I start to get, you know, when, uh, when we move it out of the realm of, I need more energy to, Oh, let’s talk about your energy, the energy in your body. They’re like, Oh no, she’s one of those. She’s one of those crazy type people.

[00:05:43] Michelle Jorgensen: Here we go. You know, and actually the beginning of the book’s all about this. So this is what I challenge. All right. So if you go to the doctor right now, if you’re having chest pains. You go to the doctor, they hook you up to an EKG, and you hear the beep, beep, beep, beep, you know, they hook you up to a heart monitor, they’re taking, they’re doing an EKG, they’re doing all of this, what are they measuring in that test?

[00:06:05] Michelle Jorgensen: And what is that heart monitor showing? The electricity in the heart. Right? And when that heart monitor flatlines, what does that mean? Electricity is stopped and we’re dead, right? If you go and you’ve had a head injury and they go and they hook you up to an EEG to determine brain function, what are they testing?

[00:06:32] Michelle Jorgensen: The electrical energy in your brain. When that flatlines, what does it mean? You’re dead. So for some reason, we’ve all forgotten this idea or this reality that we are simply energetic beings. Like we’re just, we’re, we’re run on energy. So it’s nothing, no different than our cell phone. It’s no different than the cell phone.

[00:06:52] Michelle Jorgensen: When the cell phone runs out, when the battery runs out, the phone dies. When our energy stops coursing through our body. Our heart stops, our brain stops, we die, but we talk about energy as kind of this Ethereal concept. I just need more of it. Without realizing we have absolutely all control in the world to create more of it.

[00:07:16] Michelle Jorgensen: We just don’t know how. So that’s what this is all about is how do we create that literal energy? Like the literal thing that keeps your heart beating and your brain firing? How do we create that literal energy in every single cell? Because we know if your phone doesn’t get recharged, we’re We know exactly what happens.

[00:07:33] Michelle Jorgensen: Like that’s such an easy, a C, you know, an easy thing for us to understand, but we never think about, well, what, when you, what happens when your body gets runs out of batteries, you know, runs out of charge, we just call it drained. So tired, you know, all of these words we use, man, I just feel so exhausted today, but we don’t go, okay, so then let’s XXX, let’s do these things.

[00:07:59] Michelle Jorgensen: We feel like this. energy concept is so out of our control because we haven’t remembered that energy is a real literal physical thing. It’s literally electrons coursing through our cells. So that’s what was so cool when I figured this out. Okay, wellness is possible. Wellness means having unlimited energy, having optimal health, clear to the end of our lives, not just living a long time.

[00:08:24] Michelle Jorgensen: But living well a long time, you know that my goal is not to just live for a long time. My goal is to live well for my long time. I want to live, you know, to my optimal all the way to the end of my life. So longevity is not my goal. It’s living well is my goal. And that’s really this shift that everybody needs to have is we have control over this.

[00:08:47] Michelle Jorgensen: We have control over how to create energy in ourselves, and I’ve actually created an assessment and a way to interpret what that, like you said, those check engine lights, what they’re saying, what are they telling you? And that was the coolest really discovery that I made while working through the process of this book.

[00:09:09] Jenny Swisher: So my question then of like, where’s the first place to start really becomes in self assessment. Yeah. Figuring out where you are, right? Or how do we, how do we plug ourselves back in? Well, first you have to know like how low is the battery and what do we need to replenish? Uh, this is awesome. And I love the word optimal.

[00:09:24] Jenny Swisher: I use that often. I always say normal is not optimal and I’m always trying to help my women understand that we can reach optimal energy, but it takes looking at a lot of different things for me. And I’d love to see how this sort of compares to what you’re, you know, what you’re doing. Um, for me, it’s taking look at a lot of lifestyle factors but also taking a look at You know, the mind body connection as well.

[00:09:47] Jenny Swisher: So kind of tell us more about, you know, what is like, we go through this self assessment and then what does that, what does that teach us? And then what is our first step on the journey to, to kind of plugging ourselves back in?

[00:09:59] Michelle Jorgensen: So for me, after I was so ill, you know, nearly lost my practice, nearly lost my career, all of this, I had to find out.

[00:10:10] Michelle Jorgensen: First of all, what kind of medicine I was going to use to get well? And I was really questioning modern medicine at this point, because I had been raised in it. I had been trained in it. I had been practicing it for a decade, and yet I hadn’t stayed well or been able to return to wellness once I was sick.

[00:10:27] Michelle Jorgensen: I mean, nobody could help me. Nobody had answers for me. So I was really questioning modern medicine in general. So I thought, well, let’s try it out. Let’s go to the other side, you know, let’s defect and see what’s over on the other side. And I started studying because I’m a studier, you know, if I have a question, I’m just going to look until I find an answer.

[00:10:45] Michelle Jorgensen: So I started studying all kinds of traditional medical practices. So this was Ayurveda from India, Chinese traditional medicine, German herbalism, Native American medicine. I mean, I just took deep dives into all of them, scores and scores of books. And it was fascinating. I realized a couple of things.

[00:11:02] Michelle Jorgensen: First of all, nobody else is going to do that. You know, it’s just, it was just a lot of research, but that’s just the way my brain works. But second, they were all saying similar things. They were all saying similar things. And these are medical traditions that kept people well for Centuries, right? This was what your grandma’s grandma’s grandma used to do to keep, you know, her kids and the community.

[00:11:24] Michelle Jorgensen: Well, this is what medicine men did. This is what the healers in the community do. This is what they did. And as I looked at it, I realized there was a similarity in that they were all referencing seasons. of the earth, seasons of the earth and elements of the earth to classify bodies, to classify our organ systems, to classify the way our bodies are working.

[00:11:45] Michelle Jorgensen: And, you know, I’m a gardener, I’m a cook. And so this was very much resonant with me and I’m like, all right, I get the earth. Let’s, let’s see what this is all about. They all used air and plants and water and fire, which is the, you know, basically their term for energy as classification systems. And yeah.

[00:12:03] Michelle Jorgensen: Put people in these categories. So I took a, you know, an assessment through our your beta found out I’m a Pitta. Well, if I tell you that I’m a Pitta, what does it tell you?

[00:12:16] Jenny Swisher: Well, I mean, I was told I was way back in the day. I know this language a little bit, but this isn’t Pitta. Is it the fire, right?

[00:12:25] Michelle Jorgensen: Yeah, but again, most people listening to this would have no clue unless they had done some study with Arjuvena, right?

[00:12:31] Michelle Jorgensen: Right. So I realized using their terminology wasn’t actually very useful in today’s world. There was too much back information that was needed to help fill it in.

[00:12:42] Jenny Swisher: Yep.

[00:12:42] Michelle Jorgensen: So if I tell you, you currently are actually in a fall season. You can kind of start to figure it out. You’re like, okay, fall’s cooling down, the leaves are falling, you know, you can kind of start to think at least a little bit what that might mean.

[00:13:02] Michelle Jorgensen: So what I did is I went through all of these traditional practices and I literally created these enormous databases of symptoms, symptoms, and how they correlated them with either a season or an element of the earth. And then I condensed it all into one. And I created what I’m calling the root cause assessment.

[00:13:23] Michelle Jorgensen: So there’s this root cause assessment that you take. You can go online. I’ll give you the link for this. You take a root cause assessment and it walks you through symptoms. Because today, in today’s modern world, we often think of symptom as the enemy. We have a headache. We take medication to dull it, right?

[00:13:43] Michelle Jorgensen: The symptom is the enemy. And what I’m going to tell you is the symptom is the clue, but what we need is a translator for those symptoms. So this assessment is exactly that. It’s a translator for the symptoms. So you take the symptom or the root cause assessment. And you get at the end a season. So instead of me telling you you’re Pitta and then you’re trying to figure out what the heck to do with this, I say, okay, you are now, you are a spring, you’re in the, you’re in the spring season right now.

[00:14:10] Michelle Jorgensen: This actually isn’t your constitution or your makeup. You know, you don’t stay a spring all the time. It’s which cells need the help right now. Because just like the Earth is cyclical and we always cycle through the seasons, like spring’s always going to turn to summer, summer’s always going to go to fall, fall’s always going to go to winter, no matter whether we want it or not.

[00:14:33] Michelle Jorgensen: That’s what happens. The same thing happens with our bodies. We actually go through cycles and you were sharing a little bit about how you’ve cycled through some seasons, you know, and some things that your cells are telling you and what worked at one point doesn’t actually work now anymore. Why? Because different cells need the help.

[00:14:52] Michelle Jorgensen: So I really challenged this concept of medicine in general. And this is what I realized I was asking is modern medicine, pills and procedures. And you know, all of those things, are they the answer? Or is alternative medicine the answer? The programs and the supplements and the herbs and, you know, like you talk about bioidentical hormones, you know, those are all over on that side.

[00:15:14] Michelle Jorgensen: What I realized is that that’s the wrong question. And that question is what has us stuck and overwhelmed. Because there are so many options for medicine, right? So many different ways we can go. So many different people to listen to. So many one size all fits solutions that simply aren’t one size fits all.

[00:15:35] Michelle Jorgensen: That’s the wrong question. The right, because they’re all just band aids. Like all medicine is simply a band aid. All it’s doing is helping your body do the work. Not a one of those things actually helps us heal. What helps us heal are our cells. So the right question is what do my cells need? Right now, and that’s what the root cause assessment does is helps to translate.

[00:16:00] Michelle Jorgensen: What do your cells need, right? That’s the starting point. So everybody can take it. Please go on livingwellbook. com when you, well, I’ll tell you how to get the assessment right now. This is actually an ask for me. So publishers and booksellers need to know that these kinds of topics are the ones that people are interested in, that we all want to know more.

[00:16:23] Michelle Jorgensen: So pre sales are so important for the book. Because when it pre sells, publishers go, Oh, maybe I should pick up a book or two more like this. Or booksellers say, Hey, maybe I should market this one. Seems like people are interested in it. So go to livingwellbook. com. Please Free buy the book if you can do a pre sale on the book and then what I’m going to give you is this root cause assessment Right off the bat you’re gonna get it downloaded you go right back to that site that I just told you about you go put Your info in there.

[00:16:49] Michelle Jorgensen: You’re gonna get the root cause assessment. It’s going to put you in a season. So let’s say You take it and it tells you, you are in a spring. What does this mean? I walk you through all of this. It means that your body needs to, to refresh and detox and dump things, which if you think about a spring, that kind of makes sense, right?

[00:17:08] Michelle Jorgensen: Everything’s renewing, restarting. And again, using all of those old traditional medical practices, spring is all about the liver and the gallbladder. So if you’re, if your root cause assessment says you are in a spring, It means your liver and gallbladder is raising their hand and saying, I’m first. I need help first.

[00:17:31] Michelle Jorgensen: And most people will say, well, I don’t have a clue what symptoms would be associated with my liver and gallbladder. Most people don’t. You don’t need to because your cells through this assessment are going to tell you that those are the ones that need help first. Then we go from there.

[00:17:48] Jenny Swisher: So good. Yeah. Well, I like, I mean, I knew what you were going to say before you said it.

[00:17:51] Jenny Swisher: When you said, instead of thinking of the symptom as the enemy, I was like, she’s going to say symptom as the sign. And then you said, yeah, but it’s right. I mean, like our bodies are telling us something, right. It’s a cry for help. Yeah. I was just telling Dr. Michelle before we hit record about just my recent journey, which my listeners have heard me talk about with, with migraines again, seems to be.

[00:18:10] Jenny Swisher: Something that has followed me. So I will eagerly be taking the assessment to see what season I am in and how I can help myself, um, through that season. But I also like that you said something and I wrote this down. Really, we’re saying that this isn’t necessarily an identity, right? Like, so I love that because we’re so used to assessments nowadays to, to really like, this is who you are.

[00:18:30] Jenny Swisher: You are this personality or that you are this type of leader or you are that, you know, Yep.

[00:18:34] Michelle Jorgensen: Yep. This

[00:18:36] Jenny Swisher: is more of like, this is where you are on the, on the journey and, and how to prioritize what first. So, yeah. So that’s, so what would you say, like, I mean, I, I want to reiterate, and obviously we talked about this on our previous two episodes, but I want to reiterate for people who may just be hearing you for the first time that this idea of a root cause approach, right?

[00:18:57] Jenny Swisher: This is something that really propelled me into even creating my courses and what I do, because I also began questioning modern medicine and also began really just, um, saying, now, wait a minute, like, you know, sitting in these doctor’s offices for, for Botox and surgeries and all the things like, is this really, Getting to the root of what’s going on for me, right?

[00:19:18] Jenny Swisher: And a lot of times I use the reference of like peeling back the onion. You know, are we peeling back the onion to see what’s going on? And ironically, this is so ironic. I just did a podcast recording right before this one. And, um, Dr. Moshe was on, he was talking about the mind body connection and Chinese medicine.

[00:19:33] Jenny Swisher: And he was talking about these, you know, transitions that we go through. And I was just sharing about, you know, I’m entering my forties. I’m, I’m 41 and, you know, things are changing. And so we were specifically talking more so about. The woman who’s kind of going through the perimenopausal transition into menopause and how I think his exact phraseology was, there’s no longer any Fs to give right as far as this woman like she’s, she’s no longer in her nurturing phase she’s stepping into.

[00:19:59] Jenny Swisher: Maybe just more of who she really is and casting more boundaries and, um, you know, and when we see women kind of going against that or struggling with that transition, we start to see autoimmune disease. We start to see these health, health issues sometimes arise, um, because. She’s not embracing that. And so I, I just, I can’t help, but kind of connect these two, even though you guys were back to back, I can’t help, but, um, you know, this whole idea of this, you know, we’re never an identity, especially as a woman.

[00:20:29] Jenny Swisher: Right. He talked about moon energy and all these things, like as we change and evolve and age, right, like we are constantly shifting, so. Where we get stuck, I think is sometimes in identifying ourselves as something as opposed to embracing that change. So I don’t know what my question really is behind this, if I’m being honest, but I just wanted to processing as you’re saying it, because I think this is so powerful.

[00:20:54] Jenny Swisher: And I think it really, you said, what has us stuck? And I think that that is such a great question. And I think if you could tell us more about what that looks like, especially, you know, my audience is a female audience. What does it look like as we go through these different seasons?

[00:21:09] Michelle Jorgensen: And I love that you use the example that you learned just previous to our call here, because That is one of the fallacies of all medicine today.

[00:21:18] Michelle Jorgensen: Again, the questions are the wrong ones. There is no one size fits all, one perfect program, one perfect diet, diet, one perfect exercise plan. There is no one because none of us are exactly the same. And not only that, None of us are exactly the same in every season of life, right? Just like you said, you move into your 40s, all of a sudden your cells are working in a different way and they need different things.

[00:21:41] Michelle Jorgensen: I’m in my 50s. My cells are most definitely working in a different way and needing different things than they were when I was in my 40s or 30s or 20s. So there is no one size fits all solution for any of us. And to me, that is where the overwhelm comes from. Because we buy in, you know, there, there are great benefits and none of the programs or plans or, or, you know, any of these things are wrong or bad.

[00:22:07] Michelle Jorgensen: It’s just that they’re not always right in every season, if that makes sense. There’s a time and a place for all of them. And that’s where the overwhelm comes and saying, gosh, I tried this. My friend had the greatest result from this and I still feel terrible. I’m still getting migraines eight days out of month.

[00:22:26] Michelle Jorgensen: You know, why did it not work? For me, because we did not go far enough down, you know, down to the roots. We did not truly get to the roots of which cells need help. Now, you know, and I talked about this idea of a bandaid, but I want to go back to that for just a minute. If you cut your finger, you put a bandaid on it.

[00:22:49] Michelle Jorgensen: Now, does the band aid do the healing? Our kids think yes, right? My grandbaby thinks yes. Every time she, this is, this is her, uh, her reward. This is her reward when she goes potty at my house. She’s three. When she goes potty at my house, she goes into my bathroom and gets a band aid. She has nothing to put it on, but you know what?

[00:23:07] Michelle Jorgensen: What the heck? I don’t care. Oh, like band aids are cheap. Great. You know, she thinks they do something magical for her. Great. Um, so when we put that band aid on. It might keep the finger clean. It might, you know, keep the cut parts closer to each other, but it’s the cells that actually have to stitch themselves together in a way that they don’t separate again.

[00:23:32] Michelle Jorgensen: And think about it. Isn’t it miraculous that they do that? I mean, think about your cut finger. How miraculous is it that those skin cells can put themselves back together in that way that we don’t have a cut ever again? We may not even have a scar. That’s incredible. And another thing that’s so incredible about it is they do it without us telling them what to do.

[00:23:56] Michelle Jorgensen: We don’t have to sit there for those 10 days of healing, telling ourselves, okay, You immune cells, you go in first, go clean up the damage. All right, now it’s time for you scar tissue cells. Move in there, start buddying up. You know, we don’t have to tell them any of this. They’re doing it on their own. So we have to embrace this and say, okay, my cells got it going on.

[00:24:17] Michelle Jorgensen: Like they know what to do, but they require, they do require some things from us. So just like that Band Aid did protect the finger. That secures the cells like our cells need protection. They need security, which is why we do things like oregano oil when it’s cold and flu season. Why? Because that oregano oil is helping to give ourselves some security from the bugs that are flying all around in the air around us right now.

[00:24:45] Michelle Jorgensen: Um, our cells need supplies. They simply can’t do their work unless we’ve given them what they need. So they need food, specific food based on the specific cell that needs it. They need water, clean water. They need oxygen. Oxygen is the little known thing here. Inside of every single cell, when we talk about that energy creation, there is a little power plant.

[00:25:11] Michelle Jorgensen: Inside of every single cell. It’s called the mitochondria and cells that have a, that use a lot of energy have a lot more power plants. So heart cells have exponentially more power plants inside of them than do like our fingernail cells, you know, because they have to create it. They need, they need a lot of energy for perpetual work.

[00:25:29] Michelle Jorgensen: Those mitochondria. what they use for their fuel. They do use the food and things we give them, but the main catalyst or the spark for energy creation is oxygen. This is why when you’re running, why you get. They call it lactic acid burn. You know, you get the sore muscles or when you’re walking up five flights of stairs and you’re like, Oh my gosh, my legs are burning.

[00:25:52] Michelle Jorgensen: What is that? That is mitochondria that don’t have enough oxygen to keep up with an energy creation. And it creates lactic acid, which is the burn. So we know about this. We just don’t know What’s happening when it’s happening. So our cells need supplies, food, water, oxygen. Our cells need support just like that finger needed to be protected, needed to be clean.

[00:26:16] Michelle Jorgensen: Our cells need to be dumped as well. We need to get, you know, garbage out of them and our cells need signals. So those are the four things they need. The four S’s supplies, oxygen, Support security and signals and signals. People are like, What do you mean by signals? Well, you know, in the middle of disasters, natural disasters like the terrible wildfires that just happened in California.

[00:26:38] Michelle Jorgensen: When communication lines go down, everything goes awry. Nothing operates very well. And the same thing happens in our body when the cells start stop talking to one another. And this is cancer. It’s a cell that’s gone rogue and nobody can talk to it. Nobody can talk it off the ledge when cells stop talking to each other.

[00:26:55] Michelle Jorgensen: They stop working very well. So the next steps in finding you find root cause finder. We say, okay, my liver and gallbladder is really struggling. No wonder I felt so unmotivated. No wonder I cannot literally do anything right now. I cannot get my goals on track. No wonder I can’t lose weight. No wonder I feel bloaty and constipated and this, your liver is literally stuck.

[00:27:19] Michelle Jorgensen: Nothing is draining here. So that’s the mind body connection. Oftentimes the feelings we feel all also mirror the struggle in the cells, if that makes sense. So you feel stuck, you feel like you’re unmotivated, you feel like you’re gaining weight mentally, you know, when you’re also gaining weight physically.

[00:27:38] Michelle Jorgensen: That’s where you are and your liver says, hello, I’m over here and I need help. So that’s when we start working through what we call the cell well formulas to help your cells be well. We figure out what supplies do we need? What support do we need? What security do they need? And what signals do they need?

[00:27:56] Michelle Jorgensen: And it’s very specific. That’s the part that really is a change. We got a fun little helper here. I love it. I had

[00:28:05] Jenny Swisher: a feeling she just got on from preschool. My husband’s like, I tried. She came running in. So she’s

[00:28:10] Michelle Jorgensen: part of the podcast.

[00:28:11] Jenny Swisher: I love it. A picture. Um, so that was very, that’s

[00:28:15] Michelle Jorgensen: actually a person that as well, look at the smile on that face, the smile.

[00:28:19] Jenny Swisher: That’s right. She was saying my preschooler just interrupted us with a, a photo of, she said it’s of me. So it’s a large head with a smile, but yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So

[00:28:30] Michelle Jorgensen: you are feeling well.

[00:28:31] Jenny Swisher: Yeah, exactly. Supplies, support, security, and signals. I love that. Um, I wrote down in big, big note taking letters here, the feeling of holding on.

[00:28:40] Jenny Swisher: And that was something that I just talked about with Dr. Moshé as well. He talked specifically about constipation and, and how a lot of times we are caught up in holding on, right? And I think that this, this whole idea is just so powerful because, It allows us, I think, just in general, like, yes, you’ve created a self assessment, but generally speaking, like, what you’re doing here is you’re really creating a self awareness for people to really understand this isn’t something, you know, for me, like, years and years of going to, like, finding the different neurologists or the different specialists or finding the, the person who’s, I used to say, my doctor house, who’s going to figure out my root cause.

[00:29:15] Jenny Swisher: I’ll tell you who’s going to figure out your root cause. You, right? You are your root cause. So I love that. I love that this is all, you know, comes back to this idea of. Doing the work yourself, that whole idea of what I call body literacy, like understanding yourself so that you can advocate for yourself, but also the fact that health is individual.

[00:29:32] Jenny Swisher: And you said this at the beginning here. I want to come back to this idea of like. There is no one size fits all fitness program. There’s no, there is no one size fits all approach even to nutrition. Right. Um, I found out recently I have a pretty strong sensitivity to eggs. Right. My family loves eggs. I don’t love eggs.

[00:29:48] Jenny Swisher: Right. Like everybody’s everybody’s very different. So I think when we can go deeper like this, this is so where the magic and the power lies. In our, in our health and wellness, and I feel like as a society, we’ve just become so like, we’ve just become so, I don’t know what the word is, um, ingrained with this idea that like, that every, you know, well, my neighbors lost weight on intermittent fasting.

[00:30:11] Jenny Swisher: Like I need to be doing intermittent fasting. I mean, as a health and wellness professional, as someone who, you know, does this, I’m a personal trainer, I’m a nutritionist. Like women come to me, they’re in my, in my inbox every day, wanting my opinion on a certain supplement and its ingredients or wanting my opinion on.

[00:30:25] Jenny Swisher: You know, if they should do intermittent fasting or ketogenic diet and, and my answer to all of you who are in my inbox is health is individual. And until you dive deeper and have this level of self awareness, And even, you know, going even deeper to saying what, what is going on in my mind and how is that connected to my body to like doing this deeper work is where all the power lies, like for sure.

[00:30:48] Jenny Swisher: So, so yeah, so mitochondrial health is as an interesting topic. Um, You know, I’ve, I’ve recently been kind of nerding out on just learning more about like NAD and, and all these different, you know, we’re starting to hear about these different supplements that are coming out and all the things, but, but, you know, to keep it simple for, you know, my, my listeners, I was once connected to this guy who was, he’s a super food hunter.

[00:31:09] Jenny Swisher: Um, he’s very into like nutrient density and, um, One of the things that he, he talked about is when he would create supplements, he said, he was always looking at the question, like, what do my cells require? Right. And so I love that you’re stepping in here to say that what your cells require may be different than what my cells require.

[00:31:30] Michelle Jorgensen: And it’s at this season, maybe next. And, you know, in six months, your cells are going to need the same thing my cells need right now, but we don’t know.

[00:31:38] Jenny Swisher: Right. So it’s an ongoing, an ongoing journey. So what else do you want to share with us about this? I mean, I want to hear more about the book that you have coming out.

[00:31:45] Jenny Swisher: Obviously, you gave us the links for, um, you know, the assessment and, and all that. And I want to know, you know, how I can get this into more people’s hands. Because like I said, you’re one of my most referred experts from the show. So tell us more just about, The book what we can what we can expect to learn from it and how we can really apply it to our lives and even our families too.

[00:32:04] Michelle Jorgensen: So the book does exactly what we’ve just been doing together. So let me use some examples for you. Um, there was a woman who, uh, I was actually seeing her as a patient in the dental practice and She called in a panic one day and said, I know you know a lot about, you know, health. She was talking about one of my team members.

[00:32:20] Michelle Jorgensen: I know Dr. Michelle knows a lot about other health things too. She’s like, literally, I just pulled a hunk of hair out in the shower and I am freaking out right now. And I said, all right, guess what? Let’s figure out root cause right now for you. What is going on? So she took the root cause finder. And we found out that she was in a summer season, interestingly enough.

[00:32:43] Michelle Jorgensen: And in summer, it’s all about skin, uh, heart, small intestine, and it’s about heat. And often what’s going on in summer is that her cells were so deficient in fire. It’s the element of fire, which is simply energy. So we dug into her lifestyle and said, okay, what’s going on? She was doing all the right things.

[00:33:06] Michelle Jorgensen: All right. She was eating super clean. She was exercising all the time. She was a busy mom. I mean, she just on paper, she was following all of the rules, you know, but then we started talking a little further and I said, all right, you’re lacking in minerals, like desperately lacking in minerals. That’s all about fire and the way your body communicates with each other and supplies.

[00:33:28] Michelle Jorgensen: So we figured out that she would go on a long, fast run because she had kids to get home to. Soon as she would get home, she would jump in the shower. Wash off, get ready for the day and hit the ground running. Never replenishing any of the minerals that she had lost during that run. Okay, so problem number one.

[00:33:46] Michelle Jorgensen: Second problem we found. She had just again learning all the things have been told that she needed to get a water filter. Right? That water is so important. And I agree. Water is 100 percent important. So she’d gotten a reverse osmosis system on her drinking water, and she had been so diligent about only drinking that water.

[00:34:06] Michelle Jorgensen: Well, little known, little talked about fact, is that reverse osmosis also works. Also removes all minerals from the water. And no one had told her that what that does is leaves your body incredibly mineral deficient, unless you re mineralize that water. RO water I call hungry water. It literally is going around scavenging minerals from other places in your body.

[00:34:28] Michelle Jorgensen: So I find it with people with their teeth. I can always tell when somebody is converted to an remineralized because they start getting cavities all along the gum line of their teeth. Literally, their body is scavenging minerals from their teeth, from their bones, wherever it can find them to balance or refill the water with minerals.

[00:34:46] Michelle Jorgensen: So she had double whammy here. She was drinking completely hungry water that was stealing all of her minerals. She wasn’t replenishing ever. And what do hair cells need? Hair cells are literally minerals, and they were just, they didn’t have the supplies they needed.

[00:35:01] Jenny Swisher: Her hair

[00:35:01] Michelle Jorgensen: was f ing out. And we often will point to, oh, it’s hormones, it’s whatever.

[00:35:04] Michelle Jorgensen: There may have been a thyroid component, there may have been other components, but at the bottom of the bottom of the bottom, the root of the root of the root, is she simply didn’t have the supplies that her cells needed to keep her hair, her hair well. So, We figured out she’s in the summer season. We figured out it’s supplies in particular that she needs more up, so she started drinking a nice electrolyte drink after her runs, and she started adding minerals back to her water and literally a month and a half later.

[00:35:32] Michelle Jorgensen: No more hair in the shower. So it was going to the actual cell that was struggling and saying, what does it need? That’s what the book does. The book walks you through the concepts that I’ve shared here in brief, obviously about energy and how we get more of it and how we learn what our cells are saying.

[00:35:50] Michelle Jorgensen: And then the second half of the book walks you through what now? Okay. So I’ve identified I’m in a summer season. Now what, now what do my cells need if I’m in this summer season? And what do they need from supply standpoint? What do they need from a support standpoint? And I tell you, guess what? You know what?

[00:36:06] Michelle Jorgensen: In the summertime, you should not be training for a marathon. Why? Because your body depletes too quickly. I mean, there’s specific, even exercise things that should happen. I’m actually working with a woman right now. She has terrible arthritis. She’s in her mid thirties, really amazing professional in her mid thirties, cannot lose weight, terrible arthritis.

[00:36:30] Michelle Jorgensen: She has done everything under the sun. Literally her mother like works in this field has done everything she can think of. Her diet is so clean, like everything. And we did her root cause finder found out she was in the spring season. She’s holding onto everything and she is ready to let it go. So I met with her and I said, all right, in the morning, you’re going to do 15 minutes of these yoga stretches specific ones.

[00:36:54] Michelle Jorgensen: I’m telling you, because these are for your liver and gallbladder. Or a 15 minute walk. And she said, well, every morning, what I usually do is I wake up at 5 AM, I go and I lift heavy weights for about an hour, and then I come home and then I do some work. Cause I’m really not hungry until about 11. Can I still do that?

[00:37:09] Michelle Jorgensen: I looked at her straight in the eye and I said, is it working?

[00:37:14] Jenny Swisher: That’s my favorite question.

[00:37:16] Michelle Jorgensen: Working. And she was like, Well, no, but I like it. I said, you can like it all you want, but is it getting you? Well, no. So then you’re not going to do it right now because right now your liver cells are saying no, and you are simply not giving them the fuel they need to perform.

[00:37:35] Michelle Jorgensen: The way you are asking them to perform on no food first thing in the morning. There’s something called the seasons of the day as well. Literally every day goes through seasons. We start spring in the morning. We go to summer hottest digestive fire, best time to eat all of our food midday harvest. We’re winding down on the afternoon, light meal in the fall in the evening, and we eat nothing in the winter.

[00:37:55] Michelle Jorgensen: As our cells regenerate and come back to spring again. I said, you are not feeding your body the way it requires. You are not taking care of your liver whatsoever. So interestingly enough, like literally the second day I said, you need to eat this at this time. You need to do this. She emailed me and she said, Okay.

[00:38:11] Michelle Jorgensen: I feel kind of amazing.

[00:38:13] Jenny Swisher: Yes.

[00:38:14] Michelle Jorgensen: Yeah, exactly. Because all of a sudden you’re giving your cells what they need rather than just listening to somebody saying, you need to be a power lifter. You need to run marathons. You need to eat paleo. You need to intermittent fast. Are any of those things wrong? No, but you need to find out if that’s what your cells need right now.

[00:38:32] Michelle Jorgensen: That’s the key and that’s what the book does for you. It walks you through, first of all, translating what your cells are telling you and then what do you do about it. It literally has recipes, it has pictures to do different kind of exercises, it has lifestyle practices, herbs, it has teas, it has everything you’re going to need from a formula standpoint to do your what now, but the key is it helps you determine where to start.

[00:38:54] Michelle Jorgensen: And that’s the place that I think creates all the overwhelm is we simply don’t know where to start.

[00:39:00] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. I love it. You know, coming back to the peel, the onion idea, you’re really just taking all of the different peels away and you’re just like, okay, what’s at the core of this onion, like what’s, what’s really going on.

[00:39:09] Jenny Swisher: I, and I want to just touch on this. Cause we could have a whole podcast on just minerals. But when you were talking about, um, the, the example of the woman and the minerals and the, you know, depleting her minerals, I just, I have been talking So much in the last two weeks, this idea of proper hydration and making sure people understand that it’s not just, I’ve seen this everywhere right now, cause we’re in January.

[00:39:28] Jenny Swisher: Right. So people are like gallon jugs around. And I just, I want to shout to everybody like, did you add salt? Like, is there something that are there electrolytes in that gallon jug? Right? Like, because it’s not just about consuming enough water, which most of us aren’t anyway, it’s also about whether or not you have those proper electrolytes.

[00:39:44] Jenny Swisher: And this is something that interestingly, When my headaches sort of started recurring a couple of years ago, um, we started to see, you know, one of the things that I looked at first was, am I, am I getting enough electrolytes, right? Cause, I mean, obviously, you know, they can check your electrolyte levels and all the things, but I was like, maybe this is a thing for me.

[00:40:00] Jenny Swisher: And it did make a considerable difference for me when I, so I’ve just learned that my body requires maybe a little bit more. And so I was doing the replenishment post workout, but I learned that I actually need those electrolytes even more than that. And so for me, first thing in the morning, before I ever have any coffee or any tea or anything else, I have my electrolytes first thing in the day.

[00:40:21] Jenny Swisher: And that is a game changing routine for so many. It’s funny because women look at me sometimes like, I have time with you and you’re going to spend time telling me now to like electrolyte my water. And I’m like, yes, because it’s, it’s foundational. It’s foundational. And a lot of times we’re looking for, like, like I said before, the doctor house to tell me that I have mold in my gutter.

[00:40:38] Jenny Swisher: And that’s the cause of my migraine, right? When, when the reality is that there’s something even deeper that is within my control, that is a very foundational thing. So I love that kind of, as always, you know, you’ve taken the guesswork out of this, um, for us. I’ll never forget our first interview. Um, about oral health as root cause.

[00:40:53] Jenny Swisher: My mind literally exploded. I think I have it on camera. Um, and my daughters have, have just, their lives have been changed. My life has been changed so much by just your information and your willingness to share your own story and what you’ve learned. I love that your brain is made the way it is because you said, you know, you like to do the research and do the things because My brain is not wired that way.

[00:41:11] Jenny Swisher: And so to have somebody make it simple for me and to say, this is, this is exactly what you need to figure out the root cause and to get that sort of foundational support for you in this season, not in this season is, is so cool. So, okay. So we have livingwellbook. com. I will link it up in the show notes.

[00:41:28] Jenny Swisher: She said, you know, purchasing the presale of the book really helps. And also you then get the assessment. So that’s what I recommend you guys do. Do I know you can find Dr. Michelle at Living Well with Dr. michelle.com. I know she’s also very active on her Instagram. Can you tell us any more? Am I missing anything?

[00:41:42] Jenny Swisher: Is there anywhere else where we can find you or anything else from you?

[00:41:44] Michelle Jorgensen: Yep. Go to those places. You’re gonna find all sorts of free stuff, all about information on oral health obviously, but I am starting to really. really dig into the sell well piece and how do we just stay well every single day of our lives and I love that you’re already on this root cause topic because that is the essential piece and it’s just been overwhelming because we just don’t know where to start so I’m excited that you’re already here already doing this and let’s get your your root cause finder going and let’s see which cells are which cells are needing your help as well right now and um Yep, there’s it’s been absolutely an absolute dream come true for me to find these answers because we’re providing answers for people in a way that has never happened for them in the past.

[00:42:33] Michelle Jorgensen: And I’m typically the end of the line of the dental office. Like I see people who have seen 10 other doctors, you know, and they’ve tried everything and they’re desperate at this point. And it’s been so fun to be able to take those people and say, okay, here’s what you need to do with your mouth. Yeah. You have big old failed root canal.

[00:42:48] Michelle Jorgensen: Yep. That’s for sure on your list, but now let’s actually do an assessment and find out which cells need help first. Let’s give that to them and let’s see where we can go. And it’s been able to just expedite healing and transformation with health, which is awesome. So if this is something you need, go check it out.

[00:43:03] Michelle Jorgensen: Free stuff everywhere. I just want to help everybody.

[00:43:06] Jenny Swisher: Yeah. Well, it shortens the struggle, which is what it’s all about. Right. It’s why I do what I do. Let’s shorten the struggle for people who have kind of come behind us and, um, who need this information. So thank you so much, Dr. Michelle, as always for being here.

[00:43:17] Jenny Swisher: No, I’m super excited to share this out. I’ll also be putting it in my notes section on my phone. I’m sure to, to refer out often, but, uh, until next time, take care and my friends, we will talk soon.